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  •  Hypothetical demolition question (0+ / 0-)

    Sky Net wrote:

    my question is whether a demolition team could set charges in a building the size of the WTC buildings while it's occupied and without the occupants being aware of the work being done.
    I am not an expert on the technical aspects of rigging a building for demolition, but I doubt that the technical aspects are the main problem.

    If you are going to rig a building for demolition, you need workers in there doing the job.  You can't hide them all the time, so there needs to be a good reason for them to be there in case anyone is interested.  

    Various ruses can deflect casual attention--elevator renovations, infrastructure upgrades, etc.  However, the security personnel in the building may give more than casual attention to any people doing work in the building. Therefore, they must be assured that any work crews have permission to be in the areas they are in, doing what they are doing.  

    The only way possible to deal with building security is for their bosses to to tell them, "these people are here to do such and such work, and please see that they have proper access".  Then, you will have security personnel unlocking doors for the work crews, because they have been told to by their bosses.

    In short, to rig a working building for clandestine demolition, the upper management of the building has to be in on it, for whatever reason--literally making it an "inside job".

    As to the technical aspects, the methods used in legitimate controlled demolitions--stringing lots of detonation cord (basically incendiary fuses), knocking down supporting walls in preparation, drilling holes in beams and loading them with RDX, etc.--may not be the best way to go.  There are alternatives, such as using wireless detonators, which eliminates the need for det cord.  And there are, apparently, many different ways in which a particular structure can be attacked if you wish to demolish it, so a skilled practitioner would adapt their methods to the particular situation.

    This is of course, all hypothetical.  Figuring out the details of how the WTC towers fell will require an investigation that has yet to be done.

    •  so the answer is no (0+ / 0-)

      Nobody's ever asked a genuine demolitions expert if it's possible.  I suspect they would have a different answer but I also suspect none of the CTers really wanted to know the answer.  It's been eleven years, maybe it's time one of you make a phone call and see if that theory makes any sense to a professional.

      History will be kind to us because we will write it.

      by Sky Net on Sun Oct 07, 2012 at 12:39:24 AM PDT

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    •  also (0+ / 0-)

      You may also wish to contact those who were heads of security and maintenance for the WTC buildings and ask if any unusual work crews were in the buildings leading up to September 11.  That should confirm your theory pretty quickly.  Wonder why I'm the first to think of that.

      History will be kind to us because we will write it.

      by Sky Net on Sun Oct 07, 2012 at 03:29:53 AM PDT

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      •  Re: also (0+ / 0-)

        You are not the first to think of it.  Here is an article about the various activities of and individuals connected to Stratesec, the chief contractor for security at the WTC at the time of the 9/11 attacks.  

        The article is an example of the work of independent investigators.  Such people, being ordinary citizens, have limited resources and access for investigations of this sort.  Of course, the FBI does have plenty of resources and should have done this sort of investigation immediately after 9/11.  However, if they turned up anything, they have not informed the public.

        •  security (0+ / 0-)

          This appears to be an article about a security company but  nowhere do I see any attempt to interview any member of the presumably quite large security force.  You don't need to interview the CEO, just whoever was on duty in the days or weeks prior to ask if they saw anything out of the usual.  Setting demolition charges to drop a 100+ story building would require a lot of people and time to put together. Same goes for maintenance personnel or anybody else working late in the building.

          Apparently I am the first one to think about this.  Your independent citizen investigators are pretty incompetent.

          History will be kind to us because we will write it.

          by Sky Net on Sun Oct 07, 2012 at 03:33:12 PM PDT

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          •  No (0+ / 0-)

            you just like to nit pick endlessly.  And I doubt you have paid any serious attention to this issue.  You think it's so simple to investigate 9/11, OK, you go do it.

            But enough of this.  Bye.

            •  nit pick (1+ / 0-)
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              I suppose you would know a lot about nitpicking since that's pretty much the whole 9/11 CT.  Yes, I think it would be pretty easy to pick up the phone and talk to somebody, but that appears to be too difficult for you and the rest of the CT crowd.

              You say you want a full FBI investigation, but if they didn't find any evidence of a conspiracy you'd just find some reason to discredit it, right?  The nitpicking would just begin again in earnest.

              History will be kind to us because we will write it.

              by Sky Net on Sun Oct 07, 2012 at 08:36:54 PM PDT

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