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  •  initially, Obama did propose a larger stimulus (0+ / 0-)

    but whatthehell

    "Show up. Pay attention. Tell the truth. And don't be attached to the results." -- Angeles Arrien

    by Sybil Liberty on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 05:02:34 PM PDT

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    •  no (3+ / 0-)
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      he never proposed anything close to what krugman and others said was needed.

      The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

      by Laurence Lewis on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 05:47:49 PM PDT

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      •  Lawrence, (6+ / 0-)

        Krugman is brilliant of course, but he doesn't have to make policy.

        Nor figure out how to get it passed through the hallowed halls.

        "Show up. Pay attention. Tell the truth. And don't be attached to the results." -- Angeles Arrien

        by Sybil Liberty on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 06:31:56 PM PDT

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      •  You are completely forgetting (7+ / 0-)

        the political reality facing Obama when he took office.  According to several memoirists of the administration, Lawrence Summers and Obama both thought a larger stimulus was needed but after some feeler meetings with Congress they never put forth a number larger than a trillion because the "wise men" of Congress told them it would never fly with Goopers.  It was panic time.  They needed some stimulus NOW and they passed what they could pass.  I think they did an amazing job saving the economy.

        Still enjoying my stimulus package.

        by Kevvboy on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 06:45:10 PM PDT

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        •  actually (3+ / 0-)
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          the administration and its greatest fans all claimed rhe stimulus was great and that it would solve everything. and many of thise fans also spent months claiming that anyone who said it was inadequate was just a naysayer.

          the reality is that obama came to office with soaring approval ratings, a democratic congress, and republican approval ratings that were in the toilet. wish he had tested those numbers and tried to sell what we actually needed. he ignored krugman. he never ever said we needed a much bigger stimulus.

          he staved off a depression, but as many of us said at the time, the economy would enter a full recovery and we would and pay for it at the polls in 2010. we were right. krugman was right.

          The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

          by Laurence Lewis on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 06:59:53 PM PDT

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          •  Bullshit. (7+ / 1-)

            NEVER did he or anyone in the administration claim the stimulus was everything that was needed or that it would solve everything.  Show me the quote. You sound exactly like Romney on this.

            You were in the private White House meetings, I assume, which is how you claim to know he "never ever said we needed a much bigger stimulus."

            Your certainty about your unwavering correctness is fun to observe.  Your condescension, not so much.

            Still enjoying my stimulus package.

            by Kevvboy on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 07:05:19 PM PDT

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            •   I'm sorry. HRd. very rudely stated. nt (0+ / 0-)

              I know you believe you understood what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant. -- S.I. Hayakawa

              by tapu dali on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 07:27:22 PM PDT

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            •  google (0+ / 0-)

              obama touts stimulus. and re-read the diaries by his most ardent supporters from 2009 into summer of 2010, when every little bit of good news was touted as proof that the stimulus was all we needed. the revisionism is embarrassing.

              The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

              by Laurence Lewis on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 08:12:39 PM PDT

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              •  Accepting the reality of the deal reached... (1+ / 0-)
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                ...and trying to make the best of it is not quite the same as believing the deal is the "best of all possible worlds."

                I've been at enough Union contract tables to know that.

                Having reached the deal it could, the Administration was stuck with hoping for the best. It was and is our job - we citizen activists - to critique it. As a union member, if I am not party to the negotiations I am free to critique to my hearts content. But when I'm at the table, the rules are different. I think the White House played by those rules.

                And yes: the GOP did not, and I didn't expect them to, just as I didn't expect my employer to adhere to "good faith bargaining practices" when the worse that would happen was the equivalent of a Soccer Yellow Card.

                When you are right you cannot be too radical; when you are wrong, you cannot be too conservative. --Martin Luther King Jr.

                by Egalitare on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 09:40:14 PM PDT

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                •  once again (1+ / 0-)
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                  there was no attempt to make a better deal. and in the game of politics if you think you had to make the best of a bad situation you say so. that's not how it was played. it was played as a good deal.

                  The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

                  by Laurence Lewis on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 10:39:30 PM PDT

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                •  Why the hell was Obama "making deals"? (1+ / 0-)
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                  Democrats had near to 60 votes in the Senate.  It would only be 59 because Franken was not seated.  All it would take is one moderate crossing the isle to pass the larger stimulus.  And, in the face of Obama's and the Democrats' large victories, and the very bad economic situation, they would have very little leverage to filibuster anyway.  

                  Obama came in with commanding majorities, and right from the start instead of acting like it, he acted like the Dems had a narrow 52 or 53 seat majority.  

                  The same thing happened with health care reform.  The truth is Obama's performance while in office has been close to atrocious.  He didn't take advantage of his majorities when he had them.  

                  Then when the Dems lost in 2010, resulting in split government, Obama decided to start acting like Republicans controlled both Houses.  

            •  and btw (2+ / 0-)
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              you don't seem to understand this, but there's a difference between criticism from the left and from the right. i'm saying the stimulus should have been larger. romney wouldn't have had any stimulus at all.

              The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

              by Laurence Lewis on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 08:20:16 PM PDT

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              •  A quibble... (3+ / 0-)
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                I think that Romney would have had the stimulus.  It probably would have been even more tax cut focused and less effective, but it would have happened.  

                What Republicans claim and what they do is not always the same.  Like right now they're "so concerned" about the deficit.  The second they get into office, the deficit will never be mentioned again, even as they ram through tax cuts that make it worse.  

                The deficit is nothing but a load of bullshit when it comes from Republicans.  They don't really give a damn about the deficit, they just use it as an excuse to cut programs they don't like.  

                •  it would have been the usual (0+ / 0-)

                  tax cuts and deregulation, but no genuine stimulus. he'd have called it stimulus or something, but it would have been as effective as greek austerity.

                  The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

                  by Laurence Lewis on Sun Oct 07, 2012 at 12:15:34 AM PDT

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