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  •  I didn't but... (4+ / 0-)

    I understand the sentiment.

    Letting "he was a pussy" enter legitimate public dialogue does three things:

    I: Reframes the terms of any debate on their terminology. I can't tell you the number of "Mitt bent Barky over and had his way with him in front of 60 million people" kind of comments I've seen on right wing websites in the last few days. (Pretty much verbatim.)

    II: Reframes the political style vs substance debate as "You looked like a girl/homosexual/bitch." Equating these things as weak losers compared to the awesomeness of the alpha male is intrinsically passing judgement.

    III: Add I and II and you end up with, basically, Alpha male = awesome, homosexuals and chicks = lame. Style vs substance gets reduced down to rhetorical rape, and rape = totally freaking awesome.

    There are far more salient ways to analyze the substance vs style issues without buying into their mindset. Hell, I'm completely fine with discussing that mindset and using their terminology to call out what they're doing. I'm not ok with internalizing it and using it as our own argument.

    •  Yeah still (1+ / 0-)
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      Shawn Russell

      not seeing and I"m a huge fan of the term and the item, maybe it was indelicatly but at least it was honest and didn't deserve punishment for being shall we say "contentious"

      There are no sacred cows.

      by LaEscapee on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 09:28:36 PM PDT

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    •  Get over yourself (0+ / 0-)

      What is the "legitimate public dialogue" and who made you the arbiter of what is acceptable within it?

      So you have a problem with the word "pussy."  Fine, substitute with "wimp."  Nobody wants the president to be a wimp.  When you let yourself get beaten up by a bully like Mittens, you come across as a wimp.

      As for the rest of your comment, it's convoluted and says more about your own psycho-sexual hangups than it does about any point relevant to this topic: why Obama "lost" the debate.

      •  Alright man (2+ / 0-)
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        Shawn Russell, CharlieHipHop

        I was there for ya don't flip the fuck out

        There are no sacred cows.

        by LaEscapee on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 10:30:12 PM PDT

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        •  Thanks (1+ / 0-)
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          I do appreciate the defense, but seriously...

          III: Add I and II and you end up with, basically, Alpha male = awesome, homosexuals and chicks = lame. Style vs substance gets reduced down to rhetorical rape, and rape = totally freaking awesome.
          Using the word "pussy" to convey disdain for a lack of fighting spirit in a bare-knuckled brawl (politics) really, truly does not lead to whatever sort of hangup you're expressing in the above.  Using the word "pussy" does not make one a fan of rape or a misogynist or a homophobe.  

          I would have called Hillary a pussy if she had performed like that in any situation, but I've never had to use that word or anything close to it with Hillary because she's a bad-ass.  

          In this case, I'm going to stick by what I said: "Get over yourself."  It's not because I wish you any harm or dislike you.

          Peace.

          •  I get it man (0+ / 0-)

            totally agree with every point made I'm walking a rail here at this point for calling bullshit. Soon, soon we can call em as we see em

            There are no sacred cows.

            by LaEscapee on Sun Oct 07, 2012 at 12:20:06 AM PDT

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          •  I take it you don't read many right wing sites? (0+ / 0-)

            Anyways, I didn't HR and while was laying out the logic, I also tend to fall on the crass 'say what I think' side myself. Someone wondered why the HRs and I posted what I thought was one line of reasoning based on what I've been seeing outside the kos bubble in the last few days. Which is a lot of rape/fag allusions.

            I think you might be the one taking your own opinion too seriously if you can't handle discussion about it without freaking out. I might even call you pissy and melodramatic, but that would probably open me up to charges of hypocrisy . =p

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