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  •  actually, to my very LDS ear, you DID set about (4+ / 0-)

    an agenda.

    You proclaim a history of the church relying on their view.

    So tell me which is true:

    Smith used seer stones in a hat to read the plates

    OR

    Pictures the church uses showing him fingering the plates.

    Both aren't true.

    Pick one.

    202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

    by cany on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 10:01:21 PM PDT

    •  It is undisputed (1+ / 0-)
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      is it not, that Smith put his face in his hat to translate the Book of Mormon?

      Fingering the plates was an artist rendition that was used by the missionaries.

    •  I don't care. (0+ / 0-)

      Is that really so hard to believe? Yes, the story has been told different ways. In my opinion, the plates are based on something that really existed, but that's not all that relevant because I'm not a Mormon. If the plates never existed, that wouldn't affect me at all, but it's just not something I feel the need to fight over.

      Health care is a right.

      by Fireshark on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 10:20:07 PM PDT

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      •  You picked a side (1+ / 0-)
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        cany

        in a very long running dispute........Why is that?

      •  I honestly have to say that when someone defends (1+ / 0-)
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        the belief using "I am not a Mormon" it is almost a sure sign you are. Along with the Missionary approach to this whole piece, AND the use of the church's long name which the church, itself, insists we use.

        Ya know, you gotta live a long time to fool some of us old fools.

        202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

        by cany on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 10:55:45 PM PDT

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    •  He used the "Urim" and "Thummim" as tools to (1+ / 0-)
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      translate the plates... at least that is the version I heard. (those are the "seer stones") Miraculous items provided by the "Angel" that enabled the translation to be done. And when the translation was done the tools and the plates were taken back.

      I seem to recall that the words "Urim" and "Thummim" were terms  for some vaguely defined mystical or holy ancient Hebrew items in the old testament... and JS just found them handy and biblical sounding terms/items to enhance his story.

      Pogo & Murphy's Law, every time. Also "Trust but verify" - St. Ronnie (hah...)

      by IreGyre on Sun Oct 07, 2012 at 06:09:13 AM PDT

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