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  •  Not All Polls Are Equal (3+ / 0-)
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    Theodore J Pickle, EcosseNJ, LordMike

    Anyone who follows polling closely knows that the state level polling that has been conducted post-debate was overwhelmingly by firms that have strong Republican house effects. The Gravis Colorado poll was one of the more hilarious ones I've seen in some time, as one of its handful of survey questions (alongside what is your gender, do you approve of POTUS, etc) was actually the following: "If you had $1 million dollars that needed to be managed, whom would you trust to manage your money?"

    Is there any doubt respodents would say Romney to something like that?

    Meanwhile, Selzer, an elite pollster, asks all types of real policy based questions that go to the heart of deciphering voters' underlying intentions.

    I see people here keep referencing PPP only having Obama up 2 in Wisconsin as some sort of evidence that we're in big trouble. As usual, no one notes that PPP's polling of Wisconsin has been very favorable to Romney, in comparison to other polling of the state. They found Romney within 1 point back on September 13th, which was after the Obama bounce from the Democratic Convention had set in. They also are the only firm other than Rasmussen to have found Romney ahead in the post-Ryan announcement phase.

    We are still in a dominant position. Obama is crushing Romney in advertising on television, and he can spend ungodly amounts of cash down the stretch to expose Romney's lies.

    •  PPP Wisconsin had been 7 (1+ / 0-)
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      LordMike

      So 2 sucks deeply. Why deny it?  I swear I don't fully get this place even after so many years.

      All of this 'Romney lied' riff: yeah, so what? He ALWAYS lies. The President needed to find a way to counter.  He failed utterly. R looked great up there, in his first appearance that mattered, before 60 million viewers.

      Rachel and the rest were right: these aren't courtrooms, they are TV shows.  

      Supposedly serious reality-based commenters here were reduced to 'altitude, Michelle, he has a hard job, Lehrer sucked' and whatever the hell else.

      And then poll denialism.

      Yeah I'm a broken record and maybe the worst is over.  But plugging our ears and going la-la-la was a pretty sad response.

      Romney might be a stiff among the people but he's a born salesman and he gave a hell of a pitch the other night. I hope Obama has an answer next time.

      •  he actually reminded me of Ron Popeil (0+ / 0-)

        and who hasn't got at least some piece of shit that Ron hawked at us over the years? From the useless pocket fisherman to the virtually impossible to clean roasters that could set your house on fire, to the machine that turned beer bottles into drinking glasses...and the dude made a fuckin fortune. Probably a republican too. He shoulda run for office.

        •  "Set it!" (0+ / 0-)

          "And forget it!"

          I forget which Popeil gizmo that was.  

          Although the 'Pocket Fisherman' was a pretty good idea.

          •  well, it didn't work well (0+ / 0-)

            and the idea is to use the rod give the fish some fight, which is why we don't go after trout with tuna rods. The pocket fisherman was a gussied up beer can fishing line. Now in case you don't know what that is ( not everyone fishes ) poor folks used to wrap some mono around a beer can, sneak it onto a fishing pier ( no rod, no charge in the old days, now ya gotta pay just for looking ) and fish with it. It was really ingenious to watch, and it worked. But there was no sporting fight in it; you caught a fish and hoisted it in. I used to do a version of this myself back in the day; tie a baited hook to a chumpot and send it down, usually catching a few flounder on the pots.

      •  you are a broken record (1+ / 0-)
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        EcosseNJ

        I'm a cynic but you gotta open yourself to the possibility that Mitt is already wearing thin. Again. Nothing personal; you admit it yourself that you're a complete cynic. And I don't mind your perspective really. But damn, comrade...give it a rest.

      •  As a former salesmen (0+ / 0-)

        and son of a salesman, Romney's pitch leaves me cold. He comes across like a cable info-mercial host, minus the warmth and sincerity.

        Your characterization of the reaction here is a bit skewed IMHO, there was plenty of hand wringing, doom and gloom. Frankly, a lot of it exceeded the limits of healthy realism and approached morbid obsession.

        If it now turns out that those who counseled against panic and defeatism are vindicated by events, I think you should re-assess your definition of realism.  

        Nothing human is alien to me.

        by WB Reeves on Sun Oct 07, 2012 at 11:11:58 AM PDT

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    •  I still think Marquette (1+ / 0-)
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      LordMike

      are the gold standard when it comes to in WI pollsters and especially the current race there.

      "Never trust a man who, when left alone with a tea cosy, doesn't try it on!!"

      by EcosseNJ on Sun Oct 07, 2012 at 08:23:43 AM PDT

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