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  •  People did believe him (6+ / 0-)

      Obama didn't call him out.

      And he let Romney right back in the race.

     

    "Le ciel est bleu, l'enfer est rouge."

    by Buzzer on Sun Oct 07, 2012 at 06:59:49 AM PDT

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    •  Over the next couple days or so we'll (4+ / 0-)

      see if enough believed Romney cares about working people to make him competitive in the states where the election will be decided and where voters' alignment with one or the other party is not deeply entrenched.  

      I'm not sensing it so far, owing less to Romney's debate performance than to his default personality.

      •  Here's the problem (3+ / 0-)
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          A lot of Obama's support is soft -- it is basically predicated on Romney not being a credible alternative.  With that debate, Romney did away with that handicap (and even though it took an avalanche of lies, they went utterly unchallenged), and now the many voters who have been less than thrilled with Obama have given Romney a second look.

          I hope Romney has peaked. But Obama had a chance to throw him an anvil, and he threw him a life preserver instead.

         

        "Le ciel est bleu, l'enfer est rouge."

        by Buzzer on Sun Oct 07, 2012 at 07:16:16 AM PDT

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        •  I don't agree. Obama's support is no (5+ / 0-)

          more 'soft' in swing states like Virginia and Colorado than Romney's is.  

          The President still leads among likely voters and not least, Romney has not presented himself as a credible alternative.  

          Among the several Romney's offered to voters, I suppose it would be possible to cobble together various parts of each and create a credible candidate.  

          As it stands now, though, I don't see that candidate.  

        •  Conversation I had with Home Depot worker (16+ / 0-)

          He started out by saying Obama looks like he wants to quit and maybe we should let him since Romney didn't look so bad. It took me less than 5 sentences to have him agreeing with me that any working person who votes for Romney (or pretty much any Republican) needs to have his head examined.

          I'm constantly surprised by how much people don't acknowledge the deep, passionate hatred so many of us working people have for the wealthy. They recovered from the misery THEY caused and now they're shutting off all the possible ways that we working people need to try and rise up again. Great example being the 2.75% interest rates wealthy borrowers get on their million dollar mortgages while a guy like my Home Depot friend can't get his bank to modify his 8% mortgage, now being loaded up with penalties due to his late payments.

          There is white hot HATE out there against the rich in AMerica - what they've done and what they continue to do. Any Dem who doesn't tap into that hate is spinning his wheels. Let them call it class warfare all they like. It's real.

          •  statistics is not plural form of anecdote (0+ / 0-)

            This is a caveat that cannot be forgotten about the temptation to extrapolate broad trends from one or two individual encounters.

            •  I realize that (1+ / 0-)
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              But my experience is pretty broad. I close loans (residential and commercial) as part of my job and I meet a wide spectrum of people. I've met hundreds of entitled elite rich people and many others, a little less wealthy, who exhibit the paranoid racism of many middle class whites. I recognize the tenacity of the Republican hold on white Americans, even across class.

              On the other hand I myself am a barely surviving working class white person and in my wider experience in my real life, I know that my family, my friends, my neighbors, all share one thing, regardless of political persuasion: Deep, severe anger at those with money who created so much misery and are still in the process of unloading it down onto the working & middle classes.

              Dems need to capitalize on that powerful anger. That's my only point. I'm not saying all these working class whites can be made to vote for Obama. I'm saying there's an emotional well there to be tapped for votes, and Dems need to drill that well deep this election. Let Roger Ailes and Karl Rove mobilize their army to call it class warfare. It won't matter one bit.

          •  It's about the basic distrust of capitalism, not (1+ / 0-)
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            just rich people. How people can get hornswoggled again and again and keep coming back on the basis of some slick
            performance or "re-invention" of some rich prick is beyond me. Glad you tried with that Home Depot worker.

            That's why GOTV is important. Getting to one person at a time.

            "To hunt a species to extinction is not logical."--Spock, in Star Trek IV.

            by Wildthumb on Sun Oct 07, 2012 at 08:56:37 AM PDT

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          •  Great post. Unfortunately, if you are waiting for (0+ / 0-)

            Obama to be the guy to capitalize on that hate, you may be waiting a long time.

        •  Obama's support is solid. Romney gained back (3+ / 0-)
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          Some GOP leaning voters who were not that enthusiastic about him.

          Alternative rock with something to say: http://www.myspace.com/globalshakedown

          by khyber900 on Sun Oct 07, 2012 at 08:42:23 AM PDT

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