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  •  And raising the cost of that speech is the right (8+ / 0-)

    thing to do.

    Others have noted he's protected by the Constitution.

    Let's expand on that some:

    FREE SPEECH IS NOT A SHIELD.  Read it.  FREE SPEECH IS NOT A SHIELD.

    This entire discussion comes down to Limbaugh being held to account for his ugly speech and whether or not that is OK.

    Fuck yes it's OK!

    The answer to shitty or offensive free speech is more free speech, and that is precisely what is going on right now.

    The national question is:  "Is hammering on a woman for something she didn't even say OK?"

    Really, the answer is "Yes" unless we step up and say "No", and it's all as simple as that.

    Not only do we need to take the ugly words of Limbaugh and hold them up to his sponsors, but we need to defend doing that just as vigorously as he defends his right to say them.

    When we do that, it's self-checking.  If he totally abuses that microphone, he won't have it to the same degree, and that dynamic is playing out right now.

    Radio is making threats, claiming loss of revenue and risks, saying let's just get rid of talk if we can't have Limbaugh, running news instead.

    Fuck that.  We've got so damn many good leftie talkers out there that need air time.  Promote those, and seriously pose the question as to whether or not the format needs Limbaugh to make it.

    It doesn't, and the benefit of answering free speech with more free speech is a much better balance in our discourse overall.

    Yes, he's protected, but so are we, and don't forget that.

    FREE SPEECH IS NOT A SHIELD.

    ***Be Excellent To One Another***
    IF THEY ARE GOING TO SCREW THE PEOPLE, MAKE THEM OWN IT.

    by potatohead on Sun Oct 07, 2012 at 05:25:33 PM PDT

    •  More speech over what microphones? (2+ / 0-)
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      Richard Myers, potatohead

      Yes we've got enough lefties who can talk up a storm, to fill up plenty more than the 9,000 airtime-hours per week (over 400,000 airtime-hours per year) that Rush is getting.

      But between here and a microphone, there is a major battle to be fought.

      "Minus two votes for the Republican" equals "plus one vote for the Democrat." Arithmetic doesn't care about their feelings either!

      by G2geek on Mon Oct 08, 2012 at 04:30:20 AM PDT

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      •  Somebody is needed for promotion in a way (1+ / 0-)
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        similar to how AAR got promoted.

        Right now, the default expectation throughout way too much radio to feel good about is that conservative talk works, liberal talk doesn't.

        Interestingly, they are right about that in some ways.

        One of those ways boils down to the types of people being catered too.  You can put hate on a stick anywhere in the country, and that 23 percent of us who are racist, bigot, theocrat, etc... will find it, tune in, and support the product, write the letter, cast the vote, make the phone call, and they will do it regularly.

        They do it because it validates them, and without that they are faced with their issues in a more personal way.

        Liberals won't always tune, and there is bias against radio, particularly AM radio.  Lots of reasons for that bias too, and that promotion effort is needed.

        Right now, the thinking is taking down Limbaugh takes down talk.  It is all that pervasive.

        Here in Portland KPOJ regularly gets a quarter of the share the two larger conservative talkers gets.  One of those moved to FM, which would help KPOJ IMHO, but the other one is AM only, getting a very nice share fairly consistently.

        And, it's an election year too.  And, some of the best programs are gone now, with Rachael Maddow always bringing in better numbers, having moved to MSNBC.  (which is a good thing, mind you)

        Flat out, there is nothing that performs like Limbaugh and his hate monger friends do.  NOTHING.

        So that's the fight.  AAR was actually a great effort, hobbled by a lot of things.  But, it did establish some great new voices, many of which endure today.  

        We need that again.  Maybe not something as expensive and bold as AAR was, but something.

        ***Be Excellent To One Another***
        IF THEY ARE GOING TO SCREW THE PEOPLE, MAKE THEM OWN IT.

        by potatohead on Tue Oct 09, 2012 at 03:10:56 AM PDT

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