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  •  The pipeline is popular and will be built. (6+ / 0-)

    Almost every poll I've seen suggests there is more support for the pipeline than is represented here at DK. This is a cold political move design more to take away a Republican talking point.

    What I really would like to see is environmentalists trying new ways to engage the public. Waiting on D.C. to be the center of environmental activism isn't working.

    One suggestion I have would be to emphasize jobs. That is what dirty energy does and it is getting it's way. We need to stop freaking out at people because they have failed to remain current on the latest climate science. I have read too many diaries that can't seem to reconcile why it is false claims of job creation trumps the cold academic findings of the latest white paper.

    Let's do a better job of marketing our proposals at the gut level. Obviously people aren't responding well to the doom-and-gloom, so let's try something different.

    "There is nothing more dreadful than the habit of doubt. Doubt separates people. It is a poison that disintegrates friendships and breaks up pleasant relations. It is a thorn that irritates and hurts; it is a sword that kills.".. Buddha

    by sebastianguy99 on Sun Oct 07, 2012 at 02:47:47 PM PDT

    •  Agreed, the key is getting the Nebraska part fixed (2+ / 0-)
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      There was really no reason to hold up the southern part when they were ready to build it.  There are a lot of legitimate reasons as why they need to find a better route through Nebraska.

      In the current economy, there's not the appetite for opposing the pipeline on purely "fossil fuels bad!" grounds.  And the fracking & oil shale genies are well out of the box by now, unfortunately.

      We need to focus on funding research for green energy to the point where it's more economically viable than oil.  That's the best way to win this fight.

    •  the people in texas want the pipeline. they want (1+ / 0-)
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      fracking, too, & lots of it.  they don't care if their well water gets polluted.  they don't care about their air quality.  and i say, let 'em have what they want if they're that stupid.

      and before the texans on this site start flaming me, i'm a native born texan, lived there for many yrs, & have family that lives there now.  this is the overall opinion of the texans i know & i'm pretty sure it's the majority opinion of other texans, too.  

      if texas is hellbent on destroying the state's envioronment & sacrificing their travel & tourism industry to oil & gas interests in their state, let 'em learn the lesson of conservation & stewardship the hard (& expensive) way.

      by difusing this as a rw talking point, the prez has taken away another arrow from the crazies' quiver.

      •  OK, so it's "popular", and we deserve it (0+ / 0-)

        I guess. So, we should go forward with a monumental mistake, and maybe Texans will learn the lesson?  And if not, then Canada still exports its oil to the Gulf, where it is refined and sent to other countries?  And this does texans any good...how?

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        by tom 47 on Mon Oct 08, 2012 at 09:53:58 AM PDT

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        •  the prez is defusing (not difusing as i misspelled (1+ / 0-)
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          it before -- sorry) a republican talking point by not opposing something that's already been agreed on: the southern section of the pipeline.

          i was responding to another kossak's comment about how environmentalists' strategy of doom-&-gloom seems to have failed & how they (us) need to rethink another angle, & as far as texas is concerned, citizens there act positively giddy about anything related to oil & gas, so what do you propose we do about it??

          it doesn't seem we can force texans to give up their addiction to the oil & gas industry -- in fact, they consider it to be almost a religion -- & in the face of republican obstructionism when it comes to developing some alternative to compete with the oil & gas monopoly, i'm open to your suggestions.

          as for doing texans any good, sometimes it's better to give stubborn people what they want.  :)

          •  They are reacting to the jobs, that's my point (1+ / 0-)
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            We need to do a much better job of connecting clean energy with jobs right now. Not jobs in the future, but jobs right now.

            We need to do better explaining regulations and then look like we are partnering up with companies to expedite reviews and speed up job creation.

            That we let D.C. fumble on the conservative idea of cap-and-trade, tells me that we aren't getting it done even when we come to agree with the other side on a particular solution.

            Shorter:clean energy=job creation, environmental regulation=job creation and encourages innovation.

            "There is nothing more dreadful than the habit of doubt. Doubt separates people. It is a poison that disintegrates friendships and breaks up pleasant relations. It is a thorn that irritates and hurts; it is a sword that kills.".. Buddha

            by sebastianguy99 on Mon Oct 08, 2012 at 12:58:45 PM PDT

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