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  •  the "angry black man" meme is real (3+ / 0-)
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    phonegery, Jimdotz, Tonedevil

    I have no doubt that was part of Obama's thinking, either intentionally or not. He's had to deal with that crap his entire life, and it's been heightened to the nth degree now that he's president. Black men are held to a different standard than white men in this country. Black men have to be near perfect or risk being slapped with some racist stereotype. My life partner of 17 years is black and a very successful professional, and I've seen him have to deal with this all that time.

    But with all that said, I still think there are ways for Obama to be more effective in future debates despite the extra hurdles he has to face.

    •  do you know how appallingly insulting that sounds? (1+ / 0-)
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      Jimdotz

      The idea that the president is so terrified of a racist stereotype being attributed to him that he can't even reveal his own identity.

      You've just gone out there and said that Obama has such high victim potential that he has to be afraid of his own shadow.

      Shame on you.

      Yes, the 'angry black man' meme is real.  Why the hell should Obama give a rat's ass?

      •  Oh please, insulting? (3+ / 0-)
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        The only one talking about the President being "terrified" is you.

        Generations of Black folks and people of color have lived and died struggling with the realities of white racism. Would you call recognizing that fact the same as insulting them? Would you likewise characterize it as identical to labeling them as "victims" who were afraid of their "shadow?"

        If not, how is recognizing that the President has to negotiate this same terrain an insult?

        He's a politician running for re-election, not some mythic hero. He doesn't have the luxury of not giving at "rat's ass" about the prejudices of others.

        Why would you introduce such defamatory characterizations into the discussion?

        Nothing human is alien to me.

        by WB Reeves on Sun Oct 07, 2012 at 08:30:54 PM PDT

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        •  look again at the way it sounds. (1+ / 0-)
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          the president can't act a certain way because he'll be portrayed as an 'angry black man'?  You really can't discern between strong rebuttals to questions, challenging assertions, and strong answers and this 'angry black man' concept?

          My point is:  who the fuck cares what a few racist fearmongers might say?  Does Rush Limbaugh define the way the president has to act?

          I never ONCE suggested the president was terrified.  You misread, so you need to work on that.  I said that's what the (false) portrayal suggests.

          And yes, he damn well has the luxury of not giving a rat's ass about wacko peoples' prejudices.  Should, say, a religious Jew not wear a yamulke because of other people's prejudices?

          •  Don't be ridiculous (1+ / 0-)
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            I never ONCE suggested the president was terrified.  You misread, so you need to work on that.  I said that's what the (false) portrayal suggests.
            Actually it's you who misread. I said the only one talking about the Pres. being terrified was yourself and that is factual. No one used the word but yourself and your suggestion that it, or any of the other insulting characterizations you raised, were implicit davekc's comment is completely off the wall.

            Nothing human is alien to me.

            by WB Reeves on Sun Oct 07, 2012 at 10:32:04 PM PDT

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    •  I thought this too at first, but I don't any (2+ / 0-)
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      longer, the only way to get past that is to get angry and there was plenty of reason to get angry when you are in a situation like that, someone lying like a rug to your face. More so than the angry black man theory is the fact that Obama's demeaner has served him well in the past. Like when he was running against John McCain, and the night of the Correspondents dinner when the plans to kill Bin Laden were moving forward. People like and respect him for his cool and calm demeaner, you could say it is one of the Aces he keeps up his sleeve, you hear Michelle talk about it all the time, that very little upsets him, he is always on an even keel. To get angry and lay into Romney would not be in character, as much as we would like it, he felt it would not serve him well, nor would it be very Presidential.

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