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  •  I don't follow RCP. (3+ / 0-)
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    Supavash, TomP, elwior

    But I just went there.  According to the front page, the Gallup poll hasn't been counted for the last 2 weeks.  And then today it is counted twice?

    I know the site was started by a conservative pollster if I recall correctly, but that seems like it has to be some type of mistake because it screams poll manipulation.

    Why are they counting the same poll twice?  Isn't the Oct 4-Oct 6 being counted in both polls?  And that just happens to be Romney's three best days in 1 month at least?

    I don't really care about the tracking polls, but this seems like a real integrity issue on the part of some major pollsters, and I think it would be worthy of a major post here or coordinated through the liberal blogosphere regarding how these polls are being tracked, especially if you can't really trust what you are seeing with the aggregators.   Befuddling...

    By the way, I didn't see any other instance of the same polling being double counted, much less on the same day, but i could be wrong...

    “Mitt Romney is the only person in America who looked at the way this Congress is behaving and said, ‘I want the brains behind THAT operation.’ ” Former Democratic Congressman - Tom Perriello "Small Businesses Don't Build Levees" - MHP

    by justmy2 on Mon Oct 08, 2012 at 11:01:24 AM PDT

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    •  What's worse is that in the RCP General Election (7+ / 0-)

      ... match-up page they're only using the Gallup tied number (47-47) instead of the actual Gallup Daily Tracker number (Obama +5) even though they have the tied number listed as "Gallup Tracking."

      In other words, they're lying sacks of shit.

      •  you really should write a post on this... (3+ / 0-)
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        Supavash, Ian Reifowitz, elwior

        you will get recced and hopefully this will get some attention...

        a single day of polling isn't meaningful, but the credibility of RCP is...I hear them being quoted all the time as though they are simply aggregating...

        I am assuming there was a clear decision to not go against the narrative the day of Mitt's speech...

        “Mitt Romney is the only person in America who looked at the way this Congress is behaving and said, ‘I want the brains behind THAT operation.’ ” Former Democratic Congressman - Tom Perriello "Small Businesses Don't Build Levees" - MHP

        by justmy2 on Mon Oct 08, 2012 at 11:13:45 AM PDT

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    •  No defender of RCP, but (2+ / 0-)
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      Ian Reifowitz, elwior

      once they update/add a new data point from a particular poll, they exclude it from the rest of the listing.  For example, if you look for the Ras National poll, the only one listed is the one from today - the one from yesterday has been removed.

      Prefers airplane windows stay closed.

      by smunker on Mon Oct 08, 2012 at 11:35:07 AM PDT

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      •  Yes, but today's Gallup Tracking is Obama +5 (5+ / 0-)
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        justmy2, Lying eyes, jofr, elwior, pademocrat

        ... not 47-47. RCP is just flat out lying about today's Gallup Tracking result in their General Election match-up page.

        Here's today's Gallup Tracking result:

        Obama 50   Romney 45

        •  Well, you are being a little (1+ / 0-)
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          elwior

          harsh...

          Those darlings at RCP will update their data now that the newest Gallup is up.  

          It is just really hard work, and it may take awhile until (after the narrative is set about a tie race) before they change it.  Those mouse clicks can be really exhausting.

          •  No, they won't. (2+ / 0-)
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            elwior, KJB Oregon

            The little note they attached to the 47-47 number is hilarious for its blatant falsehood.

            They called the 47-47 number -- which is now two days old and stale and was only from three days of a seven day track -- "the most recent numbers."

            They are really and truly lying sacks of shit.

      •  but the 3 day includes on Oct 6...the 7 day (2+ / 0-)
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        includes Oct 7....plus the 7 day was released later...frankly the 3 day is a poll, but it is not a consistent one...if it is valid, why have the seven day.  Something doesn't smell right...

        “Mitt Romney is the only person in America who looked at the way this Congress is behaving and said, ‘I want the brains behind THAT operation.’ ” Former Democratic Congressman - Tom Perriello "Small Businesses Don't Build Levees" - MHP

        by justmy2 on Mon Oct 08, 2012 at 11:54:22 AM PDT

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