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  •  Never carried out - let me explain. (13+ / 0-)

    The Rabbis made this "mitzvah" (command) impossible to carry out.
    Though it may not make sense to Christians, there is a hierarchy of laws in Judiasm -
    1. Torah decree.
    2. Rabbinic decree. It overrides Torah decree. This is a good example.
    3. The customs of the Jewish people. This overrides Rabbinic decree (with some exceptions). Example: Rabbinic decree says you can't drink Scotch Whiskey because it is aged in sherry casks (there are no kosher sherries). Jewish people say "Meh."

    This is why you cannot use the Torah for deciding law without the oral law and written commentaries (Mishnah and gemara or Talmud).  This is why observant Jews spend their life in study. It takes a seven year cycle to make it through the Babylonian Talmud. And one pass probably won't do it.
    Always reject the Fundamentalist view of the Torah. Jewish religious courts almost never handed out the death penalty - it is said only once every 70 years.

    "You can die for Freedom, you just can't exercise it"

    by shmuelman on Mon Oct 08, 2012 at 04:15:14 PM PDT

    •  This is the Christian take, however (11+ / 0-)

      Jewish traditional ways of dealing with these Jewish scriptures are typically rejected by the Christian tradition; and what we're dealing with here is - even within the Christian tradition - an especially radically hermeneutic in which any given Christian believer, with no specific training whatsoever that might be relevant to interpreting these scriptures, is deemed to be as able to discern the word and intent of God as experts who have decades of experience.  

      •  exactly (3+ / 0-)
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        the origins of laws, rules, customs and traditions governing conduct of individuals and resolutions of disputes, enforced by an authority higher than the individual are evolutionary adaptive.  Communities that adhered to them did better than those who didn't.  in the absence of a system of justice and appeal to higher authority, communities can get fractured if disputes between individuals aren't peacefullly resolved in a way that is less destructive and disruptive (to the community) .

        The Jewish tradition is not unique for this, perhaps just better documented and debated.  

        In lawless Somalia, the wise village women accepted the influence of the "Sharia Courts" movement, because there was a vacuum of justice.  It wasn't a devotional expression of doctrinal ideology as much as it was there was no where else to appeal to if a neighbor stole your goat, harassed your children, broke agreements to sell your produce.  To protect the powerless from the powerful

        Justice.  

      •  It is true. A simple example is kosher laws. (0+ / 0-)

        For some reason, even though Christians believe that JC gave them a pass on the "old law," they  are willing to quote Torah day and night. I think they should take it or leave it.
        It is baffling to me. I consider Judaism closer to Buddhism than Christianity exactly for the "hermaneutic" exemption you pointed out.

        "You can die for Freedom, you just can't exercise it"

        by shmuelman on Tue Oct 09, 2012 at 03:04:00 PM PDT

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    •  thank you for this. (6+ / 0-)

      you illustrate the need to not take the bible too literally.

      There are those of us out here who are religious who do believe that these guys are lunatics.

      "I want us to live up to her expectations. I want our democracy to be as good as she (Christina Taylor-Greene) imagined it." President Obama

      by guavaboy on Mon Oct 08, 2012 at 06:25:09 PM PDT

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