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    •  More like the Manichaeans. Or the Cathars. n/t (3+ / 0-)
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      If it's
      Not your body,
      Then it's
      Not your choice
      And it's
      None of your damn business!

      by TheOtherMaven on Mon Oct 08, 2012 at 09:09:41 PM PDT

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      •  and how would you compare... (1+ / 0-)
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        ... the Reconstructionists to the Manichaeans and the Cathars?

        Understood that Manichaeanism included a very large element of hardcore dualism:  body/soul, this-world/other-world, good/evil, etc., and Reconstructionism embodies some of those elements.   But I want to hear more about what you have to say about this.   And about the Cathars.  

        "Minus two votes for the Republican" equals "plus one vote for the Democrat." Arithmetic doesn't care about their feelings either!

        by G2geek on Mon Oct 08, 2012 at 11:11:35 PM PDT

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    •  how would you compare... (1+ / 0-)
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      .... the Reconstructionists to the Pelagians?

      Say more...

      "Minus two votes for the Republican" equals "plus one vote for the Democrat." Arithmetic doesn't care about their feelings either!

      by G2geek on Mon Oct 08, 2012 at 11:09:29 PM PDT

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      •  Short version? (2+ / 0-)
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        The Pelagians believed that persons carry an internal moral compass and can choose to be good and can go to heaven by doing good works and living like Christ, essentially that Grace comes directly from God to a person (without the intervention of the Church or special knowledge).  Augustine, (a former Manichaean,)  held that Original Sin has corrupted humanity, and that no one can go to heaven without receiving the gift of Grace through the Church, because mankind was in a state of sin from birth.

        I am not an expert on protestant sects but from the little I know I would say the Reconstructionists are doctrinaire, believing that Grace requires intervention derived from God through their interpretation of the Bible (as opposed to the Church) and thus are more like Augustine, (although as a Protestant sect they no longer give the Catholic Church the authority the Church derives from Peter, but instead claim it for themselves and their own interpretation of the Bible, without the collective wisdom of the Rabbis and the commentaries). Essentially they seem to think that Grace, or salvation, comes from what they think is the Word of God, which they derive from the Old Testament.  Their view seems to be that people are inherently bad and need to be forced to do what they deem is right, based on an interpretation they think is God's will.  Pelagius's view was that people know inherently what is right because God made them that way, no instruction necessary.

        For me the irony is that the Rabbi whom the Reconstructionists claim to follow had much simpler rules: Love God, love your neighbor, but they don't seem to think those are important.

        •  About Augustine, (2+ / 0-)
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          I meant to say that the Orthodox Catholic Church and subsequent Protestant sects derive doctrine from Augustine. Augustine and Pelagius had a lengthy debate about Original Sin, back in the day. Pelagius's views were excluded from Church teachings when Augustine and the Church consolidated and made their teachings universal.

    •  Oops. (0+ / 0-)

      On rereading, you mean the Reconstructionists are a troubling gnostic mystery cult.  

      I thought you meant you yourself were close to a gnostic cult.  I though you were making a slightly snarky inversion of Christianity, kind of like William Blake, as in: if Dominionists are Christians, I"d rather be a heretic.

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