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  •  Have to disagree. (0+ / 0-)

    Rushdoony's a spiteful fellow, but a small one. He avoided danger like the plague, and like most Western Holocaust deniers he could only contemplate violence and destruction at several cartoonishly poetic removes.  For his influence on the Christian right, he failed to transmit his most loathsome traits.  Falwell, Dobson and Robertson certainly had the wealth, power and influence to go anywhere in the world in carve out small emirates for their experiment.  Instead, they chose to live the good life here in the United States, under the laws and protection of their fellow citizens.

    No, I don't fear people like that.  I don't underestimate the sort of damage they can do, but there is zero chance that they could change the underlying contract of the country and bring on this so-called Domionist nightmare.  If for no other reason than their livelihoods depend on the system we have now.

    •  and what probability would you have given... (8+ / 0-)

      ... to GRISWOLD (contraception) being back in play in the 21st century?

      Do you know what "not even wrong" means?  

      BTW, I don't "fear" those people either: a few years ago I went seriously to war against the ones who are overtly breaking the law, and we made a decent dent in a couple of them.  I'd do it again if the opportunity arose.  

      I don't fear them any more than I fear an infestation of mice in a house:  mice are a health hazard but the techniques for getting rid of them are well-known if perhaps a bit tedious to apply.  (Though, at least mice are arguably cute, unlike religious right fanatics.)

      "Minus two votes for the Republican" equals "plus one vote for the Democrat." Arithmetic doesn't care about their feelings either!

      by G2geek on Mon Oct 08, 2012 at 11:45:50 PM PDT

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      •  Like I said. (0+ / 0-)

        They can do a lot of damage.  Sounding the alarm about an agenda that wants to re-litigate Griswold is one thing, though it's not much of an alarm--we've had decades of warning.  Running around with your hair on fire over some nutjob who thinks the death penalty for rebellious kids is a good childrearing tool is another.

      •  I am just about done with (2+ / 0-)
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        G2geek, blueoasis

        the last legacy of poor, expired Jace the cat, his fleas.  They are not nearly as cute as mice, but have to be exterminated.  Here is my slogan about fleas:

        Seek, locate, exterminate!
        I sound sort of like a Dalak.

        Warmest regards,

        Doc

        I would rather die from the acute effects of a broken heart than from the chronic effects of an empty heart. Copyright, Dr. David W. Smith, 2011

        by Translator on Tue Oct 09, 2012 at 01:21:46 AM PDT

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    •  Except they write laws for their own benefit. (7+ / 0-)

      You are aware that fundie religious leaders get us to subsidize their homes, right?  You are aware that they are trying to undermine the legitimacy of scholarship and education, and destroy the public school system, right?  You are aware that they have been trying to radicalize the ministers in the military, right?

      They are after laws, and they even have the scapegoats they will accuse of undermining society when their hysterical, mythological system of economics fails to do anything to help the public at large.

      •  Yeah. (1+ / 0-)
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        Which is why I said they're great at graft and can cause some real damage.  At the very least, thousands if not millions of kids are trapped by third-rate homeschoolers .

        Still, we could do without the O'Reilly-like hysterics. Who's really worried about the chaplaincy?  When I first arrived almost fifty years ago the country was considerably more religious, and nobody was complaining then.

        •  Political cults are dangerous. Call them out. (4+ / 0-)
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          Translator, G2geek, teloPariah, blueoasis

          Let's put 'Allah Is Great' and 'Moroni Is Divine' on our money too...

          Oh wait, only one of those is acceptable, and could slide in this country.  I have no idea how that one thing is acceptable to anybody.  However I do know that non-religiously affiliated people are more hated than any other demographic group.  I can't imagine it was easier for non-religious people to be open 50 years ago with criticism towards religion.

          Sometimes religions take on harmless (but still ridiculous forms).  Sometimes they become politically organized and take on insidious, hateful, terrible forms.  Those are cultish movements that form the core of a fascist movement.

          As for the chaplaincy...

          •  I don't know about that. (0+ / 0-)

            Here's the FBI's 2009 breakdown in bias crime.  Unless attacks against the irreligious are severely underreported, then we're doing better than most groups both in absolute and in proportional terms (only 20 percent of the population, but less than one percent of victims in bias crimes dealing with religious belief or non-belief).

            I don't much care to ponder what cultural shift would put  "Allah is Great" and "Moroni is Divine" on our currency, but I don't see it happening any time soon.

            •  Any injustice is a threat to justice everywhere. (0+ / 0-)

              My point was those things deserve equal space on there, if any of them does.  It's not constitutional that it's on there at all, and it's ridiculous that it's on our money.

              As for the atheist thing.  Atheists are routinely reported in poll after poll as being the least trustworthy trait a person can have.  Gays are more trusted, muslims are more trusted.  Every group in the nation is consistently viewed better.  This information is easy to discover.

              There are more ways to be biased and hateful towards a class of people than simply mob beatings and lynchings.  Atheists look just like everyone else and can blend in, so it's not easy to spot them.

              •  Not just mob beatings and lynchings. (0+ / 0-)

                But also intimidation and property crimes.  And the best evidence we have indicates that gays and Muslims suffer more of these incidents than the non-religious do.  In fact, so do Catholics and Protestants, who I assume can blend just as easily as atheists.

                This isn't to say that the irreligious don't face discrimination, are underrepresented politically, or have interests poorly met in society.

        •  "O'Reilly-like hysterics" (0+ / 0-)

          Where would those be?

          •  I think I know, and it's quite simple. (0+ / 0-)

            I'm guessing he's mistaking passion for hysteria.  I also suspect he's simply giving these individuals the benefit of the doubt.

            I can understand that.  O'Reilly is a fairly passionate fellow who speaks with certainty and conviction.

            He's also rather ludicrous, as far as an 'intellectual' goes.

            •  I don't give them the benefit of the doubt. (0+ / 0-)

              I just find that more often than not they're impotent chatterers.

              •  Then I don't get it at all. (1+ / 0-)
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                Plenty of people are charmed by mindless certitude and conviction.  Even when used by morons and proven liars.

                Sometimes it doesn't matter if you're right about something.  Sometimes all that matters is that you're goddamned fucking pissed about INJUSTICE!

                Politics is ridiculous.

                •  Be like water. (1+ / 0-)
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                  Paul Rogers

                  Ain't nothing wrong with being pissed off.  And reporting on these yahoos and their ridiculousness is a fruitful exercise; at the very least, it goes a long way in containing the craziness.

                  But for the most part, that very reporting doesn't reveal a grave threat to the Republic.  It reveals a small, sad niche of American life in its pitiful last throes.

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