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  •  Because real journalism (2+ / 0-)
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    TomP, sockpuppet

    Doesn't get eyeballs.  Too few people want news in this country so the MSM doesn't serve a market that doesn't exist ( or is a niche preference)

    Don't blame the media, blame the viewers they're trying to reach

    Never believe your own press, never drink your own KoolAid

    by Mindful Nature on Tue Oct 09, 2012 at 07:19:17 AM PDT

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    •  i blame government (1+ / 0-)
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      teachme2night

      this is going to happen unless tv/news and the airwaves are regulated.

      they should have required the networks to host the news with no commercials.

      -You want to change the system, run for office.

      by Deep Texan on Tue Oct 09, 2012 at 08:08:10 AM PDT

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      •  Not sure that's a good choice either. (0+ / 0-)

        Enter Devil's advocate, stage left:

        State run media -- which it would have to be without ad revenues -- isn't a viable answer.  Sure, it works fine when your party is in power, but what happens when there's a change in the makeup of government?  Mitt says "Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia" and the lie becomes the truth.  Or at least, nobody disputes it -- which is as good (or bad) as the same thing.

        That's the problem with a free press... it isn't free.  It costs money to operate, and (apart from PBS/NPR) that only happens with sponsorship/ad revenues.

        And the airwaves are regulated -- to the degree the First Amendment allows.  But that freedom has to apply to everyone, or it applies to no one.

        Fortunately, Mitt has turned fact-checking into a real growth industry (part of his job creation policy?) and more people at the ground level are figuring him out.  As that happens, the media will have no choice but to follow.  That's free-enterprise at work (/wink).

        I'll believe corporations are people when one comes home from Afghanistan in a body bag.

        by mojo11 on Tue Oct 09, 2012 at 09:31:45 AM PDT

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        •  nobody said state run media (0+ / 0-)

          that's a strawman you built yourself.

          no, all it means is that in order for the networks to exist they would pay out of their pocket the costs of doing news.

          that's the price they should pay for getting the right to broadcast on america's airwaves.

          -You want to change the system, run for office.

          by Deep Texan on Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 06:41:25 AM PDT

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          •  Still doesn't solve the problem... (0+ / 0-)

            ...of the media failure to hold politicians and officials accountable for what they say.  And that's probably going to continue whether we're subjected to advertising during a newscast or not.

            Networks are like bookies.  They never lose, because for every winner there are plenty of losers to balance the books.  They have no skin in the game, and no amount of regulation is going to change that.

            The networks aren't going to lose out if commercials are banned during newscasts.  They'll shorten the news segments and increase ad rates across the remaining allowable time slots to mitigate the revenue loss.  And business as usual will continue.

            What then?  More regulation?  Of what?  Will it make a difference?  How far do we have go down that path, and can we do it without cracking our skulls against the First Amendment?  And how much grist do we provide for the mill in the process?

            I'm all for holding industry accountable for the damage it does.  I support regulation when regulation can accomplish the goal.  But in this case, I just don't see how it can -- at least not without spiraling out of control.

            I'll believe corporations are people when one comes home from Afghanistan in a body bag.

            by mojo11 on Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 08:34:55 AM PDT

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            •  no it wouldn't be perfect (0+ / 0-)

              no such system exists currently and probably not ever.

              but it would help change news programs in the right direction.

              -You want to change the system, run for office.

              by Deep Texan on Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 09:32:44 AM PDT

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              •  The problem is less about... (0+ / 0-)

                ..."mainstream media" than it is about the whole concept of a "mainstream" of any kind.  The audience has split into two distinct "mainstreams", which have stratified even further since the Great Divide.  The media is really more of a reflection of the audience than anything else.  How else to explain the fact that both sides claim media bias against them?

                This is not to say that the media doesn't have a share of the blame.  One look at prime time TV will tell you that the news has become more and more sensationalistic since... probably Watergate.  And a headline like "Mitt Romney Tells Whopper"... well, that's "Dog Bites Man".  Nobody's gonna run that one because it would be indistinguishable from all the other "Romney Tells Whopper" stories.

                Nobody's shocked by these anymore.  And Romney -- and to perhaps an even greater degree his sidekick Bucky -- depend on that desensitization.  They use that and the "Dopeler Effect" (the property of bullshit that makes it appear reasonable when it comes at you really fast) to put the lies out there, knowing that 95% (+/- 4%) won't bother to even make enough of an effort to check PolitiFact.

                Sadly, the problem is one of our own making, and I can't imagine any set of regulations -- ones that would be enforceable at least -- that will offer a solution.

                That said, I'm all for making the news commercial-free!

                I'll believe corporations are people when one comes home from Afghanistan in a body bag.

                by mojo11 on Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 11:38:42 AM PDT

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                •  the problem is the people (0+ / 0-)

                  that's for sure.  

                  did you hear they are talking about not teaching handwriting anymore?

                  -You want to change the system, run for office.

                  by Deep Texan on Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 12:14:49 PM PDT

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                  •  No, hadn't heard that one, but... (0+ / 0-)

                    ...Republican Pat McCrory who's running for Governor here in NC is running an ad featuring a teacher who praises him to the skies for wanting to make sure every child learns to read by the fourth grade.

                    ...headdesk...

                    I'll believe corporations are people when one comes home from Afghanistan in a body bag.

                    by mojo11 on Thu Oct 11, 2012 at 04:31:35 AM PDT

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