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  •  formed and posted my opinion about 10 minutes in (0+ / 0-)

    I went on Facebook with something like "Romney's making stuff up and Obama's not fighting back. WTF?!?"

    Now if Obama had made noise then the low information voter might still be paying attention. The optics wouldn't have been "he lost". Obama looked like he lost by not even bothering to deny the "half the green companies bankrupt" lie. (Excuse me, misstatement.) He didn't deny it so, if you're keeping score at home, Romney scored big on that point which, if true (it isn't close to true) is very damning and plays into a generic corrupt politician narrative very easily ("big Democratic donors"). Having been a debater in HS you don't get points for not responding regardless of the untruthfulness of the opposing argument. We used to say "my opponent did not respond so draw that one through".

    He also didn't call out Romney for changing his position on the tax cuts on stage so someone who wasn't paying attention to the Republican primary season (and who could blame them) wouldn't know that Romney just turned on a dime and started saying something entirely opposite. And the first debate always has the highest viewership so it's left to TV advertising to make those points to a low information voter. And a low information voter has most likely perfected glazing over at the first sign of an attack ad by now.

    It's sometimes hard for us echo chamber types to realize that anyone in the still undecided bracket, besides begin worth $35 k in ad buys right now, can easily tune out the rest of the noise. Obama really picked the wrong night to not show up. But, if memory serves, he wasn't a great debater in 2008 and he's been awful at selling the ACA. Now my personal opinion is the ACA is a hard sell but that's a different thread.

    If you didn't like the news today, go out and make some of your own.

    by jgnyc on Tue Oct 09, 2012 at 10:52:00 AM PDT

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    •  Maybe you should go back and watch (0+ / 0-)

      the rest of the debate after those first 10 minutes. He did point out Romney was changing his position on taxes.

      •  sure I saw it but he didn't refute anything else (0+ / 0-)

        and he made the tax point in a standard politician monotone. Look, I'm not concern trolling here - as if it would matter in a Daily Kos thread - but the universal opinion in the outside world amongst partisans and, it appears, low information voters is that Obama didn't bring it. Your implication that I only watched 10 minutes might be revealing a little bit of hurt feelings. I'm not here to cheer lead. Obama screwed up. Will it cost us the election? Doubtful is my uneducated opinion. If he is this flat in the next two debates it could be a bigger problem. I like Obama. I think he's a better person than his policy sausage making reveals. I despise Romney and think he's creepier and eviler than he plays on TV. But scored as a boxing match Obama was way behind on points by the end. And yes I watched the whole thing. (and I don't blame Lehrer one bit)

        If you didn't like the news today, go out and make some of your own.

        by jgnyc on Tue Oct 09, 2012 at 11:41:30 AM PDT

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        •  Barack Obama has never spoken (1+ / 0-)
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          like a fast talking crooked used car salesman, and never will. Sorry. If that's what you are looking for in a president, Mitt Romney is definitely your man.

          •  and so you resort to a cheap insult (0+ / 0-)

            How typical of some kos threaders. You haven't really responded to any points except to imply I didn't watch the debate. But emotionally you're so invested in your superhero President that you lash out. Which is ... somewhat pathetic though not bad by internet standards. Obama's a politician. I remember the first debate against McCain. He was good in that - not great, good. Debating isn't his strong point - he's a much better orator. So far he's been a good President. Not great, that's for the second term.

            Let's hope he brings it in the next debate though my guess is it matters less and less as we get closer. There's a smear coming about Syria so here's hoping Bill Clinton is going over his planned reactions with him.

            I'm guardedly optimistic right now. If it comes down to the ground game I think we're way ahead.

            If you didn't like the news today, go out and make some of your own.

            by jgnyc on Tue Oct 09, 2012 at 01:31:38 PM PDT

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