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  •  I just say it (14+ / 0-)

    to that one remaining Republican voting member of my family. Their vote is death sentence to a lot of people including one of their own children. It doesn't phase them.
    I don't know how to do this family thing anymore.

    •  I myself, with my own pre-existing condition have (15+ / 0-)

      been appalled, when trying to educate some on how the pre-existing clause will help me, my children and my extended family (we have PKD, a genetic disease).  A shrug and a smirk is what I usually get.  It has put me in a place where I can't even look the person in the eye anymore.  How can someone be so callous, even to their own family members?  It's a sickness.

      Got Social Security? Thank a Democrat!

      by Fury on Tue Oct 09, 2012 at 09:07:23 AM PDT

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      •  I'll never understand it. (3+ / 0-)
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        Just like I will never understand the scum who abandon their own children for being gay because their religion says it's evil, etc. I seriously think that something has to go seriously wrong psychologically in order for someone to place their ideology, religion, etc above their own blood relatives. I think it's mostly the result of persistent consumption of propaganda, but it's still sickening.

        I find these kind of attitudes frightening, because it's exactly the kind of thing that authoritarian regimes around the world and throughout history have cultivated in order to justify the marginalization and even murder of politically inconvenient segments of society. It seems that the Republican base is already pretty far along the path to viewing their political opponents as subhuman and undeserving of basic rights, even within their own close families.

    •  That family member (7+ / 0-)

      is likely unreachable until it touches them personally.  The mindset of practically every Republican is that it's all about them, they don't want their tax dollars going to pay for "others."  But when it becomes their own ass on the line and not someone else, the government can't help them fast enough and all of the sudden they support whatever it is that they previously opposed, although they usually only support it for themselves and would still deny others the same benefit.

      Like the anti-choicers that seek abortions for themselves while at the same time, trying to deny the same medical care to others for the same reasons.  When it is for them, it is different.

      It is the epitome of selfishness; if you're not a selfish person, you're probably not a Republican and vice versa.  Whereas Democrats are all about "we," Republicans are all about "me."  The GOP is the party of bullying, greed and selfishness - all three go hand in hand.  Being a greedy, selfish bully is a prerequisite for being a Republican politician or activist and in most cases, for being a Republican voter as well.  Not to mention that the Republican Party is also institutionally racist, but I digress...

      Arrrr, the laws of science be a harsh mistress. -Bender B. Rodriguez

      by democracy inaction on Tue Oct 09, 2012 at 10:01:20 AM PDT

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    •  me too (8+ / 0-)

      I keep trying to get my father-in-law to see that. (BTW, he's on Medicare, of course.) I said last week, "You say you love me. I believe you. But then you want to vote for the guy who wants to make it impossible for me ever to have health insurance again. And you know what that means."

      But he just smiled sheepishly and said, oh, well, it doesn't matter because he's in a red state so he might as well vote Republican.

      It's the weirdest thing. I say, "Your grandchildren have health insurance only because of Obamacare. Doesn't that matter?"
      No, it doesn't. Voting Republican is more important to him.

      It is hard not to take it personally!

      •  I don't understand either. (3+ / 0-)
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        I also have a genetic disease, like someone up thread. I inherited this disease from my Republican mother, so she's familiar with its effects. I've discussed the fact that I am uninsurable without Obamacare or a group plan with her, and he just dismisses this as inconsequential. She says she thinks I'll always have access to group insurance, and so it doesn't matter if insurance companies are allowed to discriminate against me. I've asked her what happens if I lose my job or become too disabled to work, and she says that that won't happen because I'm educated and smart. (I don't even try bringing up the other people who aren't as fortunate as me, because she doesn't care about them and dismisses them as lazy bums).

        I just don't get it. She cares about me, and she works in healthcare.  Yet she doesn't see it as a problem my insurance benefits would be my only option for insurance under Romney's plans. And she doesn't see it as a problem that millions are in a worse situation than me.

        It's bizarre. I hate the kind of person Fox News has made her into.

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