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  •  Found you comment. (2+ / 0-)
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    satrap, aitchdee

    Still don't understand how your statement relates to mine. Help?

    "Can you participate in your political system? That is a defining feature of the country from its inception...And there is something profane about stopping people from exercising that right." -- Chris Hayes

    by HappyinNM on Tue Oct 09, 2012 at 05:17:26 PM PDT

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    •  Just the illegal coercion part. (5+ / 0-)

      Sounds like a threat- which should be unequivocally illegal- that a dictator MUST make legal to operate in the proper climate of intimidation.

      From Neocon to sane- thanks to Obama- and Kos.

      by satrap on Tue Oct 09, 2012 at 05:20:07 PM PDT

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      •  satrap - what law does it violate? (2+ / 0-)
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        Sparhawk, Killer of Sacred Cows

        The behavior is reprehensible, but I doubt the letter is illegal.

        "let's talk about that"

        by VClib on Tue Oct 09, 2012 at 07:01:32 PM PDT

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        •  I would say (2+ / 0-)
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          that it falls under the heading of blackmail, threatening, and intimidation.

          Also, isn't it illegal to bribe voters? And couldn't one say that a promise to fire people if the vote goes one way implies a promise to keep them employed if the vote goes the other way, therefore constituting an implicit bribe?

          Bottom line is, if this kind of bullshit is not illegal, it damn well should be. It's a clear abuse of power.

          Al Qeada is a faith-based initiative.

          by drewfromct on Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 04:15:15 AM PDT

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          •  drew - the key is that the employer (0+ / 0-)

            has no way of knowing how any of the employees vote so it can't be blackmail, a viable threat or an intimidation of any kind.

            However, if I worked for that company I wouldn't put an Obama sticker on my car, or donate enough to show up in a donor data base. There are only a handful of states where political activity is protected from employer retaliation. I don't think Florida is one of them. As others have noted he can't fire everybody he can only sell his holdings and the new owners will need employees. However, I would not be shocked if after the election he terminates any obvious Obama supporter. It's outrageous, but not illegal.

            "let's talk about that"

            by VClib on Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 07:47:28 AM PDT

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            •  No, the key is (0+ / 0-)

              that the employer has threatened to fire every employee if Obama wins without any regard to how his employees themselves choose to vote. That is a threat. Period. It's intimidation. Period. And it is a clear attempt to influence the vote accompanied by an explicit threat.

              Period.

              Al Qeada is a faith-based initiative.

              by drewfromct on Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 10:21:00 AM PDT

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              •  drew - it's an empty threat (0+ / 0-)

                The people who stay in the timeshares need services. If he fired everyone who would provide the services? It's a stupid statement on the part of the owner.

                I don't know of any statute that would fit these facts to make it a criminal issue, but if you know one I would love to see it.

                "let's talk about that"

                by VClib on Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 02:56:11 PM PDT

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                •  An empty threat (0+ / 0-)

                  is still a threat. It's blackmail pure and simple, and although IANAL, I'm pretty sure that blackmail is illegal.

                  Al Qeada is a faith-based initiative.

                  by drewfromct on Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 03:27:27 PM PDT

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                  •  drew - it's not blackmail (0+ / 0-)

                    The facts don't fit the crime of blackmail.

                    The letter is out there in the public and the owner is identified, so it will be interesting to see what happens. I would be very surprised to see any criminal action.

                    "let's talk about that"

                    by VClib on Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 03:36:16 PM PDT

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                    •  I'll have to look that one up (0+ / 0-)

                      because if the definition of black mail makes an exception for doing it "openly", then I've got me some blackmailin' to do.

                      As for Siegel, I agree that nothing will be done. Not because he is not a criminal, but because he's a mega-rich Republican.
                      You can be sure that if he were a small businessman and/or a Democrat, he'd be in jail already.

                      Al Qeada is a faith-based initiative.

                      by drewfromct on Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 05:15:20 PM PDT

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