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  •  education level matters (2+ / 0-)
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    Youffraita, Gorette

    At least some White women without a college education may not be following the election up to the debate so closely --some are "low information voters" perhaps some just too busy at that education level trying to just survive in this economy. But they tuned in to the debate for the first time...

    and so a much higher percentage (than ours) of their current opinion of the two candidates....especially of from the debate rather than from the whole long process. I think that is what is shown here.

    And some might have liked what Romney said and how FORCEFULLY and (apparently) sincerely he said it. Obama has a more gentle delivery and if they are struggling in their lives and have been for four years under Obama they might be less inclined to believe his gentle disconnected delivery as they have some immediate data in their lives that their lives are not all that much better. I am NOT saying this assessment is at all correct. But that Obama is responsible for the DELIVERY of what he said in that debate and that he needs to adapt to the PERCEPTION people might have.

    SOME Non partisan non political not educated people who are hurting even if they don't BLAME Obama might be weary and tired of the fact that even though he does seem to them to get it, things are still not a heck of a lot better in their lives. You and I know, as does President Clinton, that no PResident in his circumstances could have done much better. But when people are struggling and not informed they might cling to the hope that Romney is (was) what he appeared to be in that debate. That is why incumbents loose when the economy is bad. SO many people who are struggling are looking for ANY viable alternative that might alleviate their suffering--it's human nature. That is why measurably people turned to Romney after the debate, even if it was temporary. People were giving Romney a second look, he made himself Appear, by lying, to be a viable alternative.  

    College educated White women might be completely different then this other demographic. I belong to this latter group myself. Probably a higher percentage of educated women are used to gathering and analyzing facts to arrive at political conclussions and what we know effects how we feel

    Most especially many, perhaps more, of us have been paying attention to Romney during the Primaries, and to the issues. We ourselves have SEEN HIM LIE based on our own perceptions, because we paid attention to politics in the last year. Some of those who havent did not see Romney lie first hand. ..becuase they weren't paying strict attention to what he has been saying all along.

    All they hear is that Obama and the press say he lied...but that is NOTHING like seeing someone lie from your own knowledge. Those of us know SEE ROMNEY LIE TO OUR FACE. It's a unique experience.

    •  Well, yes. (1+ / 0-)
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      My low-info friends are not stupid...they are simply not paying attention.

      Unfortunately, they are still not paying attention when I try to explain the difference between scumbag and O.

      To make the argument that the media has a left- or right-wing, or a liberal or a conservative bias, is like asking if the problem with Al-Qaeda is do they use too much oil in their hummus. Al Franken

      by Youffraita on Tue Oct 09, 2012 at 06:04:58 PM PDT

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      •  What, pray tell, would grab their attention? (1+ / 0-)
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        The wars he'd send their kids to?

        The lack of health care?

        The prospect of no social security or Medicare for their parents or themselves?

        "extreme concentration of income is incompatible with real democracy.... the truth is that the whole nature of our society is at stake." Paul Krugman

        by Gorette on Tue Oct 09, 2012 at 06:09:56 PM PDT

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        •  it's a good excercise (2+ / 0-)
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          to try to crawl into other people's shoes

          doing do THEY know Romney would send their kids to war? he hasn't said that. How do they know they'd loose healthcare? Romney started healthcare HIMSELF in his state...they have no evidence to doubt him when he says he'll fix or replace Obamacare with something better...

          and Romney says he won't get rid of SS or Medicare, just fix it.

          See, it all comes down to the fact that WE paid attention over the last months and OTHER people did not. We LEARNED that Romney is lying more than ANY politician EVER does in running for President. Anyone who has payed attention over time has learned that about him so knows not to believe him even to the extent that  they'd believe any poliician.

          Calling out Romney's lies is not good enough, showing them is better but also needed is for the MEDIA and OBAMA and the DEMS (well not Obama himself he can't call Romney a liar to his face with that word, I think). I think the solution is for serrogates and the media to explain this:

          Romney is lying in a UNIQUE WAY unlike other Presidential candidates. There is NO HISTORICAL PRECIDENT.

          I think that HOW IS IS NOT USUAL and therefore how YOU NEED TO TRUST WHAT HE SAYS not being explained. "all politicians lie' is what people say to themselves to excuse Romney when considering voting for him. We need to explain Romney is not lying that way, he's worse. Unique.

          That "flip flopper" stuck to Kerry, in this setting, is really galling, isn't it?
          We need to understand why Romney is so tephlon-esque around that charge.

          •  Maybe if he brought up the 47% comments in (0+ / 0-)

            debate, specifics, he might get their attention and curiosity to find out who the guy really is.

            "extreme concentration of income is incompatible with real democracy.... the truth is that the whole nature of our society is at stake." Paul Krugman

            by Gorette on Tue Oct 09, 2012 at 06:47:23 PM PDT

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    •  Needs to figure a way to point to suffering but (1+ / 0-)
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      in uplifting way to point out what he'll do and has done to help (but Congress obstructs).

      Sad to see anyone believe Romney the Liar. The best thing is keeping the 47% around his neck.

      "extreme concentration of income is incompatible with real democracy.... the truth is that the whole nature of our society is at stake." Paul Krugman

      by Gorette on Tue Oct 09, 2012 at 06:08:24 PM PDT

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      •  and point out that his mendacity (1+ / 0-)
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        is at an abnormal level, historically, in Presidential politics so you need to trust what he says about what he believes even less than normal.

        and also, show people he ran as a moderate in MA but did not govern that way. I'm in MA, that is the truth, and many people who voted him in were left furious.

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