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  •  Oy (none)
    Blair is not an influence, there was a reaction to Blair - to wit, Okrent.

    Which changed precisely nothing.

    Judith Miller continues to have MORE influence than Blair EVER had.

    "Just say no to torture." -Semi-Anonymous Blogger.

    by Armando on Sun May 15, 2005 at 03:55:45 PM PDT

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    •  it's not all black and white (none)
      Really. You're spitting a lot of bile at somebody for their commentary on a commentator, and you're going to great lengths to keep out any complicating factors. It's bad for discussion. Also, there's nothing positive to be made of it. Maybe, just maybe, something can be made out of the Okrent era.

      Let's not split hairs. Whether you call him an influence or not, the series of events that made Jayson Blair's name known had a huge impact on the NY Times, and it wasn't just because of the arrival of Okrent.

      Nor was his impact just the departure of Howell Raines. Perhaps you've noticed that the Times has a hell of a lot more "reported by" bylines these days. Maybe you've heard stories about the new scrutiny being paid to the work of new and mid-career reporters? If you'd talked to any, you'd know. It's very different.

      Of course, they still make mistakes. Very bad ones. The continuing career of Judith Miller is proof enough of that. She should have been forced to take a long Janet Malcolm-like walk into history after her pre- and early-Iraq War reporting. The Times's failure to teach or insist on sound principles of economic and financial reporting is a shame. Their reporting on John Kerry and their insistence on finding "balance" that doesn't exist is insulting to anybody who has progressed beyond and adolescent dualistic or an early-college relativistic understanding of the world.

      Have you ever met an ombudsman? Their job sucks. Compared to the "journalisming is hard" crowd, those bastards are stoic. You almost never hear an  ombudsman whine, and their job is much, much harder. Considering his position, Okrent was doomed. He arrived at a terrible time, when the paper wanted to improve its standing, and the way to do that was to bring in a guy who was sure to make them look worse by digging up their bad deeds. He received a cold welcome. Sure, he wasn't perfect. He wasn't even great. But he was independent. And that's the first, best step towards fixing the Times.

      You know how to do something positive? Stop heaping scorn on the last guy, and tell the next one what he or she ought to do. Whoever it is, he/she will be the "public editor"--let them know what the public really wants from a newspaper.

      That's what I plan to do. Okrent's gone.
      But somebody else is moving into that job. And you know the wingers are going to keep crying "bias" and working the refs.

      Howsabout we talk about a way to counteract that completely predictable crap headed our way?

      •  Excuse me (none)
        That is surely a ton of horseshit.

        What the hell does Okrent  or any Ombudsman care whether the rpeorters are "cold" to him.

        They SHOULD be cold to him.

        He is the READER'S representative, not the reporters. But Okrent treated the readers like shit.

        Poor baby, were the reporters mean to him? Aw,I feel so bad. I bet that didn't stop him from cashing his paycheck.  

        It's is pretty damn simple, if the job was too hot for him, then he should not have taken it.

        As for Rosen, well that was the sorriest post he has ever written. It was particularly disappointing from a guy I have respected.

        Here is some news for you, I don't get paid for writing at dailykos. You want to see the shit that gets written about me. You want to see the hate e-mail I get?

        I don't complain because if I couldnot take it then I should quit. Pretty fucking simple.

        So, with due respect, cry me a river for poor Okrent and Rosen.

        "Just say no to torture." -Semi-Anonymous Blogger.

        by Armando on Sun May 15, 2005 at 06:55:10 PM PDT

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      •  As for the next guy (none)
        I think I just told him what I don't want.

        "Just say no to torture." -Semi-Anonymous Blogger.

        by Armando on Sun May 15, 2005 at 06:56:26 PM PDT

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      •  "never hear an ombudsman whine" (none)
        Except when he dedicates an entire column to attacking one reader who hurt his precious little feelings.

        Like Armando said, what a lot of shit.

        And spare me any halfwit asides you might plan to make about my "reason and charm," you don't rate either.

        I have evidently Energised the Discourse and Made Politics Real Again. -Spider Jerusalem

        by agrajag on Mon May 16, 2005 at 12:01:52 PM PDT

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