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  •  Sadly, I think you're right (2+ / 0-)
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    Paul Rogers, KathleenM1

    I know people (some are family members) who have good intentions, but it's their willingness to suspend logic and reason to reconcile their 'faith' that deeply worries me.

    I'm beginning to question whether concern for humanity can coexist with religion.

    •  Why? (0+ / 0-)

      !! Four more years !!

      by raincrow on Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 07:02:04 PM PDT

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    •  They probably can coexist, but it's hard. (0+ / 0-)

      This is a pretty active concern among a lot of atheists that seems to be growing as a movement.

      Only the movement seems to be more focused in general on skepticism in general, and how to think scientifically.  It's just incidental to the process of science/skepticism that you'll naturally have an anti-religious component.

      But there are skeptics and otherwise rational people who can believe one insane thing, and still be good people.  I'm willing to bet that most of the people who describe themselves as christians or muslims or so forth and come on this site have a more 'live, let live' kind of philosophy.

      I don't know how theologically 'correct' (or mainstream) that sort of ideology is, but people don't arrive at religious beliefs via logic and reason.  They arrive at them via an emotional appeal.  This is why it's so hard to convince people how ridiculous it all is.

      Anyway, the people on our 'side' are those who want to reform religion away from a nihilistic, self-obsessed, cultish ideology, and refine it into a less dickish thing.  They still want to have their religion.

      I think that's a bit silly, but some people are so attached to those ideas that they are willing to change them drastically in order to keep them.

      For me, I pretty much am okay with the religious as long as they 1) don't threaten people, 2) don't make empirical claims, 3) actively criticize their fundamentalist 'cousins'.

      It might be difficult to remember at times, but there are some religious people who do that.  Sometimes, I probably critique those people a lot more harshly than they deserve, but at heart I'm more of the confrontational, asshole kind of personality when it comes to some things.  (Think of Olbermann, or Hitchens)

      Ultimately, if someone happens to believe in something additional that's ridiculous, that's a personal choice.  It's just one I tend to throw acerbic commentary at.  I used to have a few friends who tried talking to me about ufo and conspiracy shit in public gatherings.  They have been cowed not to do that nonsense near me, and possibly have changed their minds on the matter entirely.

      The real dangerous religious are those that attempt to deny reality, deny history, and want to stomp all over your life.  As hard as it can be to remember at times, they do exist, and they probably (mostly) don't deserve your ire.

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