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  •  There is a good answer. Don't dope. (2+ / 0-)
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    Read up on Bradley Wiggins.

    •  Two questions: (5+ / 0-)

      How often do clean cyclists win big races?

      How often do cyclists that we assume were clean do we later find out were doping all along?

      I'd love for no athletes ever to use any drugs stronger than Aleve. If you're injured, sit out until you're fully recovered. If you can't play at that level then you're not good enough.

      But I'm also a sports fan (although not a hard-core cycling fan. I follow it casually). I know what really goes on. I have friends who are and were professional athletes.

      How many Tour de France winners were not later found to have been doping?

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      by grover on Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 05:18:22 PM PDT

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      •  The current Tour winner and Olympic Gold Medalist (2+ / 0-)
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        is a clean rider.

        •  Wiggins? (1+ / 0-)
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          There's been quite a few discussions about how the Sky team has been very similar to the postal teams of Lance's heyday.  It's also a bit odd that Wiggins went from a track guy/TT specialist to someone that could climb fairly well and does well in grand tours.  He and Sky might be clean but it wouldn't be surprising if they weren't.

          •  I wondered that. (0+ / 0-)

            I wondered how anyone could say with any certainty that Wiggins is clean. People used to say that with 100% certainty about Armstrong, heck right up until this year.

            But I thought maybe SantaFeMarie had info that the public lacks, and she seemed so certain.

            Otherwise, we know absolutely that clean test results mean nothing. We know that we can't trust the riders' word. How many have lied over the years? Too many, unfortunately.  

            I dunno. It's a mess.

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            by grover on Thu Oct 11, 2012 at 01:00:40 PM PDT

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