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  •  And I would bet money this is what Romney (29+ / 0-)

    would have gotten regardless of Obama's performance, given that the challenger historically wins the first debate. I firmly believe the base did more damage than Obama by falling apart and solidifying the narrative instead of following Obama's lead and rallying. I honestly can not believe the insanity that overtook the base this week.

    If I knew it was going to be that kind of party, I'd have stuck my ---- in the mashed potatoes! - Paul's Boutique

    by DoctorWho on Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 10:59:32 PM PDT

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    •  There is some truth to what you say. However (12+ / 0-)

      Democrats are always most critical of their own.  We need to be better about picking our own up rather than complain and wring our hands.  

      I do agree that Rmoney would've gotten a bump to consolidate uncommitted R leaners that would vote GOP anyway.  Where I differ is that Rmoney's performance could really boost GOP turnout if he manages to win the next 2 debates.

      Alternative rock with something to say:

      by khyber900 on Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 11:13:58 PM PDT

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    •  it. was. the. (5+ / 0-)

      liberal. media.

      "It is the difficulties that make us stronger."

      by Chamonix on Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 11:20:50 PM PDT

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    •  Disagree (0+ / 0-)

      While I had always figured that Romney could basically only gain from the debate (unless he really screwed up), I did not expect the blowout that it was. I had 2 of my friends, very strong Obama supporters, tell me either during the debate or immediately following that it didn't seem like he even wanted to be president any more, but that they were obviously still going to vote against Republican insanity (though not really FOR Obama like they did in 2008).

      This wasn't in response to seeing the snap polls or the post-media coverage.. that's how they felt right when they saw it.

      I think, if anything, in some ways the base did Obama a favor by basically conceding that Obama had a bad night rather than trying to defend the pile of crap that it was. Instead we were able to sort of transition into some other attacks on Romney. Let's put it this way.. would you rather us be trying to shift the narrative into some Romney attacks or still trying to defend a bad debate that everyone knows he did poorly in?

      •  But the base did neither. Just freaked out. And no (5+ / 0-)

        it was not a 'blowout'. That's the whole point that the recent polls are proving, it wasn't a blowout - but Dems who ridiculously came to conclusions like 'it doesn't even seem like he wants to be President anymore' (I can't even believe someone could actually think much less believe that), fed the narrative out of proportion. You don't have to defend the debate, just move on like Obama did. HE transitioned to Romney attacks, not the base. The base is handwringing over every poll, even RAS was getting love here. We did not do him any favors. None.

        If I knew it was going to be that kind of party, I'd have stuck my ---- in the mashed potatoes! - Paul's Boutique

        by DoctorWho on Thu Oct 11, 2012 at 01:52:26 AM PDT

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    •  PA poll Obama 50/42 but Mitts won debate 65/15 (1+ / 0-)
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      Honest reactions to Obama's dreadful (even he says he blew it) debate performance have had no real effect on voters' intentions.  In today's Phila Inquirer monthly polls of PA and NJ:

      In PA Obama leads 50 to 42 with 8% undecided but those same people when asked who won the debate said Mitts won 65% to 15% Obama with 12% tied and 8% undecided.

      In NJ, Obama leads 51 to 40 with 10% undecided but those same people  when asked who won the debate said Mitts won 71% to 12% Obama won, 12% tied and 6% undecided.

      Kossacks can express frank opinions about the debate and not risk throwing the election to Mittens.

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