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  •  *blink~ (5+ / 0-)

    Tell me this sorry assed excuse for a person was drummed out of office and out of town.

    •  He lost the election in 1990 to Ann Richards. (5+ / 0-)

      He wasn't drummed out of town, though. He's in the oil and natural gas business. In 2008, he worked as a McCain fundraiser in Texas - until the McCain campaign was reminded of his "lie back and enjoy it" remark. The McCain campaign quickly severed their ties with Williams...but didn't return the money he'd given the campaign.

      Blackadder: Everything goes over your head, doesn't it, George? You should go to Jamaica and become a limbo dancer.

      by AuroraDawn on Thu Oct 11, 2012 at 12:45:27 PM PDT

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    •  the thing is (2+ / 0-)
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      That line about "if it's inevitable, lie back and enjoy it" is an old, OLD line, and it's been applied to countless things as an analogy.  I strongly suspect he was parroting the analogy without thinking about its real-life meaning.

      No, that doesn't excuse him, but repeating a thing you've heard a lot isn't the same as coming up with that same thing off the top of your head.

      •  How else would a survivor take it? (5+ / 0-)

        If you said, "It was inevitable", and so you lay back and enjoyed it--the response would be:

        Then it wasn't really rape--you were asking for it. And then your case isn't pursued as strongly and in addition to being labeled a SLUT, you get the "Cry Wolf--Buyer's Remorse" label too.

        So it's a pretty fucked up thing to say with regards to Sexual assault and rape.

        And in this culture--as well as most others, you are confirming the worst things that people think of Rape survivors.

        The things they say about us, when they think we aren't around to hear. The things that affect our social standing, our professional standing, and our legal standing as well.

        Things that get back to us sooner or later, one way or the other.

        The problem is, this *Male probably has never had to just Lay Back and Take That. He has no idea what he is talking about, and most likely never will--even though he most likely limped away cursing the feminazis for ruining his "awesome campaign skills," and his "flawless character and career."

        The things that have to transpire to change a mind like that, to open a mind like that are catastrophically bad. And it leaves people like me in a quandary.

        I wouldn't wish that on anyone, what he so flippantly dismisses. But what else has to happen to pry that rusted trap he calls a brain, open?

      •  Actually, it is the same thing IMHO. (2+ / 0-)
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        No, that doesn't excuse him, but repeating a thing you've heard a lot isn't the same as coming up with that same thing off the top of your head.
        It really doesn't matter if he was "parroting the analogy" or not. Clayton heard the word rape and the first thought that came into his head was "just lie back and enjoy it."

        And I believe he meant exactly what he said. It wasn't an accident. He wasn't misunderstood or taken out of context. He said it, and he meant it. The fact that Clayton finds rape amusing (he made the remark in the context of a "joke") really tells me everything I need to know about Clayton Williams and his view of women.

        Blackadder: Everything goes over your head, doesn't it, George? You should go to Jamaica and become a limbo dancer.

        by AuroraDawn on Thu Oct 11, 2012 at 03:22:01 PM PDT

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        •  going back to the source... (1+ / 0-)
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          ... it looks like he didn't hear "rape" and think "lie back and enjoy it".  He was talking about bad weather being inevitable, was trying to make a point and a joke about taking bad weather with good grace, and the first thought that came into his head was the old saw about what to do if rape is unavoidable.

          I think the fact that he parroted the old saw at all is a definite black mark on his character, as it demonstrates that he has never let the realities of rape ever cross his sorry excuse for a mind.  Which, as you say, kind of tells you everything you need to know about his view of women.

          But I have to disagree with your first statement:  there is a big difference between echoing some crap you've always heard and never examined, and coming up with that same crap on your own.

          •  I fail to see this "big difference." (0+ / 0-)
            there is a big difference between echoing some crap you've always heard and never examined, and coming up with that same crap on your own.
            What, precisely, is the difference? How does repeating horrible offensive "crap" you've heard, as opposed to horrible offensive crap you yourself made up, make it less objectionable? That seems like a cop out to me.

            Does the fact that he didn't craft that remark make him a better human being? Does it mean that he possesses more sympathy for rape victims than the person who first came up with that little zinger? Based on what I've read about Clayton Williams, I seriously doubt it.

            We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

            Blackadder: Everything goes over your head, doesn't it, George? You should go to Jamaica and become a limbo dancer.

            by AuroraDawn on Thu Oct 11, 2012 at 04:36:22 PM PDT

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            •  I'm willing to agree to disagree (0+ / 0-)

              but will just say this one thing first:

              Stupidity and carelessness are a lot more common than malice, and a lot more curable.

              If someone says something horribly offensive because it was an idea they actually thought of and put together, yes, that is much worse than someone who says something horribly offensive because they heard it and never examined it ... because in the latter case there is at least a chance that the someone in question can be made to think about it.  And possibly to see the light.

              I've been that latter person, which is how I know.

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