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  •  Prez needs some good debates to refire the base. (4+ / 0-)

    If nothing else.

    Show us your tax returns !!!!!!

    by Bush Bites on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 08:35:09 AM PDT

    •  We can count on the Boss doing a LOT better... (2+ / 0-)
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      ...but it will be very interesting to see if that gets reflected much in the polls. It was almost as if people were looking for an excuse to vote for Willard M. Robme. Very strange indeed!

      Time is an enormous, long river, and I’m standing in it, just as you’re standing in it. My elders are the tributaries, and everything they thought and every struggle they went through & everything they gave their lives to flows down to me-Utah Phillips

      by TerryDarc on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 09:06:27 AM PDT

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      •  Interesting comment -- closing the barn door after (3+ / 0-)

        the animals are gone effect.

        There is one respect in which I believe that to be true: Romney gave voters permission to consider him.  Prior to the debate, he had been pretty heavily demonized.

        As I have posted before, I was stunned to hear that my oldest daughter was considering (which is different from leaning) Mitt.  She was an enthusiastic Obama supporter in 2008,  and cares very much about issues like the environment and education.

        I still find it hard to believe that she will go R-squared on election day, but something has definitely changed.

        LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

        by dinotrac on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 09:59:37 AM PDT

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        •  I certainly hope she comes to her senses (1+ / 0-)
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          Still think racism given permission to come out has something to do with the precipitous drop in O's stats. That and some heavy steering by Ras and other R pollsters.

          Time is an enormous, long river, and I’m standing in it, just as you’re standing in it. My elders are the tributaries, and everything they thought and every struggle they went through & everything they gave their lives to flows down to me-Utah Phillips

          by TerryDarc on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 10:47:22 AM PDT

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          •  Easy to call racist when you don't want to (0+ / 0-)

            see your own failings.

            The current administration has not done a good job.

            If it has done the best possible job with regard to jobs and employment, then it has failed miserably to convince those affected of the fact, and that's an important part of the job.

            FDR thought so, at least.

            LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

            by dinotrac on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 12:23:08 PM PDT

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            •  While Obama has not been perfect, there is however (0+ / 0-)

              there are double standards that are being applied.  We came from a deep steep caused by a financial crisis, which by the the way takes a long time to recover.  In fact, Nate Silver says that at the moment Obama is underperforming  given the current   economic indicators.  This quote from Joe Conason illustrates the point:

              lobal Index Praises U.S. As ‘Sole Bright Spot’ In Sluggish World Economy

              By Joe Conason

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              Unemployment is still too high, income is still too low, and the recovery is still too slow – but the United States is faring considerably better than other developed nations against the threat of a renewed recession and remains “the brightest spot in the world economy,” according to the latest indicators tracked by the Financial Times and the Brookings Institution. Known as TIGER, or Tracking Indices for the Global Economic Recovery, the comprehensive data report compiled by the London-based business daily and the centrist Washington think tank provides a factual context for the U.S. presidential debate.

              Favorable comparison with other nations, in a faltering world economy, may reinforce President Obama’s argument that his policies are working despite jobs statistics that remain deeply troubling. Moreover, criticism of Obama by Republican Mitt Romney may well be regarded as less credible if the U.S. economy is in fact performing better than every other developed country — especially those pursuing the austerity policies advocated by Romney and his running mate, Rep. Paul Ryan.

              Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives. John Stuart Mill

              by Micheline on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 12:54:11 PM PDT

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              •  If Obama were white this would not be an issue. (0+ / 0-)

                Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives. John Stuart Mill

                by Micheline on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 12:54:49 PM PDT

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                •  Really? Really? (0+ / 0-)

                  Perhaps you've forgotten all the crap George Bush (both 41 and 43) got over the economy and --- Guess what? --- them boys were white as snow.

                  Rich, too.

                  LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

                  by dinotrac on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 01:11:07 PM PDT

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                  •  With the case of 41, the economy started improving (0+ / 0-)

                    until after the Bill Clinton was inaugurated so he fell victim to circumstance. Whereas with the son, the financial crisis begun in 2008 hence the reason Bush being still blamed for the economic crisis.

                    Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives. John Stuart Mill

                    by Micheline on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 01:19:42 PM PDT

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                    •  I was referring to the "If he were white" (0+ / 0-)

                      comment.

                      Too easy and too lazy.

                      Presidents get blamed when the economy stinks, whether it's fair or not.

                      Heck -- you can go back even further to Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan's first midterm elections.

                      LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

                      by dinotrac on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 01:59:03 PM PDT

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                      •  Yes but Presidents would get credit if the (0+ / 0-)

                        unemployment rate went down to 7.8.  I am sure that if the president was a white man then he would not be under-performing.

                        Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives. John Stuart Mill

                        by Micheline on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 02:05:15 PM PDT

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                        •  Don't know where you've been, but that 7.8% (0+ / 0-)

                          has been all over the news as a sign that things are getting better.

                          Never mind that a more careful look reveals otherwise.

                          LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

                          by dinotrac on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 02:12:07 PM PDT

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                        •  Look at October 2004 jobs report (0+ / 0-)

                          +96,000 jobs, 5.4% unemployment rate. Here is how the New York Times reported it.
                          "Employment growth in the United States slowed last month, falling far short of expectations, the U.S. government reported Friday.

                          The new jobs report cast doubts on the strength of the U.S. economic expansion and appeared to bolster Senator John Kerry's case against President George W. Bush's handling of the economy just hours before the second presidential debate.

                          The Labor Department reported that the U.S. economy added just 96,000 jobs in September, substantially less than the roughly 150,000 needed to keep pace with the expansion in the labor force and start absorbing the slack in the job market."
                          http://www.nytimes.com/...

                          •  Are you addressing me? Your point supports my (0+ / 0-)

                            contention.

                            Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives. John Stuart Mill

                            by Micheline on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 03:19:34 PM PDT

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