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  •  Another perspective (11+ / 0-)

    I received an email from Current TV which had an interesting viewpoint.  The author believes Obama "threw" the first debate.  In other words, he deliberately lost in order to keep the Republican donors from giving up on Romney and shifting funds to the down ticket races.  The change in tone of the Obama campaign right before the VP debate fits in.  Evidently the money is committed to Romney now and can't be taken back and shifted to House and Senate races.  

    •  Perhaps (7+ / 0-)

      But I don't think anybody truly wants to lose.  Especially a competitor like Obama.  He's an athlete.  Athletes HATE to lose.  Ever.

    •  The 11 dimensional chess master is at it again? (3+ / 0-)
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      I wouldn't put it past him.  If he loses the Senate, it's really gonna get ugly.

      I think he just might have made that gambit hoping to increase the chances of getting Democratic majorities in both houses.  Very interesting viewpoint indeed.

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      by sjburnman on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 11:40:08 AM PDT

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    •  I doubt that (7+ / 0-)

      He may have intentionally kept his performance low-key, but that's a bit over the edge.
      It seemed more to me that he was prepared to debate on the facts but was met with wholesale lies and instant reversals of previous positions, so his prep was useless since conditions on the ground suddenly changed.

      •  Makes total sense. (9+ / 0-)

        I remember reading that he had studied all of Romney's positions.

        So frustrating, heart-breaking even that the prep team didn't think of the possibility that Romney would do a whole 180 the night of the debate. To be fair though, is there anyone here, or in the political commentariat, who had foreseen that ?? I mean, that the transformation would be so radical, so brazen ?

        President Obama is in my opinion a great president and a deep thinker. He's tenacious, and is very courageous. He risked his presidency many times in order to do the right thing. He has a couple of vulnerabilities though that caught up with him that night. He is extremely analytical and isn't necessarily the best at reacting quickly to a change in conditions. It's his character but also, I believe, an extreme caution he has developed over the years as a black man climbing the levels of power.

        •  The team studied Romney's tactics (1+ / 0-)
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          They knew exactly that he used shape shifting to make moderates believe he is actually a moderate, and conservatives that he is actually a conservative. He gets both conservatives and moderates to believe, that when he says something that is opposite their views, he does it to fool the other party.

          The Obama team's strategy is to fight Romney as an extreme rw'r, and not as a flip flopper, because they would be fighting Romney on his terms.

          I believe their was a longer term strategy to the low key Obama performance.

          Ryan's claim to fame are his extreme rw positions, and he has a long voting record.
          Ryan is good in lying, when he can blab on without being challenged, but he gets flustered when confronted.
          Biden was able to pin Romney to an extreme rw agenda, through his all out attack on Ryan.

          Obama will use this in the second debate.

    •  Exactly what I was thinking! (2+ / 0-)
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      But didn't want to look like some crazy CT'r. I was thinking,"maybe he took one for the team, like bunting in a run (hopefully many runs!)"

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      by JayRaye on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 11:49:33 AM PDT

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    •  Sorry, I don't believe that. Too risky. (8+ / 0-)

      Unfortunately it didn't go well. ( I prefered Pres. Obama because of substance but on the optics I agree it didn't go well.)

      The debate team probably decided on a strategy of "no attack" Make no mistake if President Obama didn't attack on the 47% or on Bain it was because it was DECIDED in advance.

      Whatever the strategy was, it didn't work obviously.

      I think that President Obama, Axelrod, Messina, Plouffe are all data people, analytic people. They probably overanalyzed their data on the different target groups, on what polled well, etc...
      They concentrated on the trees instead of the forest. They possibly didn't think enough about all the different scenarios of the debate, including a complete transformation of Romney as a centrist. Add to that a President who probably lost sleep and preparation time because of the Syrian/Turkey crisis, and it ended up in a disappointing result.

      The good thing is they learned a big lesson I think. And apparently they have added other people on the debate prep team. I hope they chose people who have a more holistic view of things, who don't get bogged down in details, who have a good populist instinct.

      People like Bill Clinton, Joe Biden can help. But it's clear Barack Obama shouldn't copy Clinton's style or Biden's style. Because of his age and the color of his skin, it wouldn't work anyway. No he has to readjust and simply be more assertive while being himself.

      Last note: can we PLEASE accept that Romney is a hell of a challenge, much more than Ryan who looks like a little boy? Can we say that if Barack Obama doesn't "mop the floor" with him it doesn't mean that he's weak ?  Presidential debates, especially when the moderators are not strong, favor the bullies and the bullshitters. Although I suspect Romney won't be as aggressive in the next debates: it will all be about creating the illusion of a reasonable, conciliatory, credible "President". The White and older Obama. Good news is that if Romney plays it like that, President Obama will have more of a level playing field.

    •  That's Malarky n/t (1+ / 0-)
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      Arizona: Remember the good old days, when we were just known as the Grand Canyon State?

      by AZ RedWingsFan on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 12:34:09 PM PDT

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    •  believe it or not (1+ / 0-)
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      this is what I heard from someone who is part of the "club" of Democratic campaign staff pros.  "Don't worry .. it was all part of the plan."

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