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  •  I had almost this exact (5+ / 0-)

    conversation with an acquaintance (not a stupid person; she has a Masters' degree, and frankly, if she had grown up anywhere even a little more blue, would likely be a liberal, since she doesn't care about being rich, and is actually compassionate, works in a caring profession, etc.):

    HER: "He's socialistic and I can't wait until the election."
    ME: "Can you tell me what socialistic things he has done? What socialistic policies or laws has he put into place, and how are they affecting you?"
    HER: [complete silence]
    ME: "And I don't mean fake, made-up things like death panels, I mean something that actually exists."
    HER: "Well how do you know those things don't exist?"
    ME: [beating head against wall]

    •  I can haz soshulizm? (2+ / 0-)
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      Leap Year, digitalmuse

      Try to see it from her psychological perspective. Imagine if someone had tried to convince you that Bush wasn't a shitbag 8 years ago. You'd be defiantly resistant. Never mind that there was ample evidence that he was a shitbag and zero that Obama's a socialist. Psychologically speaking, once people are entrenched in such positions it's hard to be talked out of it. The committment becomes emotional much more than intellectual, as no one wants to admit to being wrong.

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 09:18:26 PM PDT

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      •  Absolutely. (0+ / 0-)

        It's tribalism. She thinks this way, her husband thinks this way, their friends and church people think this way, etc... It's completely entrenched, as you say.

        I don't expect to ever change her mind, but she brought this up in a car literally (Biden!) full of Obama supporters, so I just had to do the Socratic thing and ask her questions in order to make her think, just a little. She is older than the rest of us who were in the car - the rest of us represented pretty well people who had grown up in a less racist era.

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