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  •  I agree with you that Harlans are Redtails. As I (9+ / 0-)

    mentioned I was almost convinced from what I had been reading that they were a separate species until I came upon the article on genetic testing. The results of that testing are pretty hard to argue with, though apparently some still are.

    Hope you have been having a good day of banding, but then I don't imagine there is anything such as a bad day is there? Some are probably better than others though. That has to be very interesting and satisfying work. My hats off to you.

    Glad you found this diary. It had drifted so far down on the list I thought no one else would find it .

    Just give me some truth. John Lennon--- OWS------Too Big To Fail

    by burnt out on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 03:59:10 PM PST

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    •  Thinking Fella kindly sent me a message. (7+ / 0-)

      Turns out we ended our day with a really gorgeous adult redtail  about an hour after I posted that.  I'll post a picture as soon as I go through them.

    •  I just realized I didn't get all the way into your (5+ / 0-)

      part about the DNA studies (as I said, I was just reading on a quick break).  The lead author on the study you linked to, Josh Hull, is a GGRO bander - in fact I'll be out banding with him tomorrow.  He's done a lot of interesting DNA work, including sharpies and Galapagos Hawks, too.  But it's the redtail stuff that I love best.

      •  Wow, that's cool. Tell him thanks for me! That (5+ / 0-)

        study of his was the first concrete information I found on this stuff and it really helped clear things up for me.

        Just give me some truth. John Lennon--- OWS------Too Big To Fail

        by burnt out on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 07:33:16 PM PST

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        •  Today's gorgeous adult... (12+ / 0-)

          She was huge - well over 1200 grams.  Easy to age as a second year bird because she still had one juvenile tail feather (as well as several retained juvenile primaries and secondaries).  She's got really classic B.j. calurus coloration, but she had some interesting black "smudginess" on her tail.  It's the kind of thing that you probably couldn't see in the field, but up close this kind of stuff is fascinating.

          I uploaded full sized versions of these photos, so if you want to see them much larger and enjoy the detail, click on them and look at the enlarged sizes.


          •  Oh man, so beautiful. (6+ / 0-)

            Thanks so much for sharing her with us.

            Just give me some truth. John Lennon--- OWS------Too Big To Fail

            by burnt out on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 07:50:59 PM PST

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            •  saw two just like her yesterday.. (3+ / 0-)
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              they just stop me in my this case the middle of the road..
              'honkhonk, get out of the road you stupid hippie!'

              Separate birds an hour apart and ten miles, but both with red transparent tails and plagial marks..oh, I know patagial..but I know what I meant.!
                They seemed to appear just for they always do for all of you too!

              Thanks for this brother burnt.

              I was going to the Ojai Raptor Center Open House today, a rare event, but what little work I have had to be done today, booo!

              I know the director so maybe she'll give us a tour later and I can post pics, a diary, and a donation link. They are partly, largely sponsored by Yvon Chouinard's company Patagonia.

              I had to rescue two illing Western Grebes this week, very sad, they were very sick, the stronger one aimed his needle beaks at me and sqweeked like a little high pitched wide up toy, and glared at me with his beady red eyes.

              I did get to watch a Blue Heron dive like a Pelican and swim around!! Never ever seen that before!

              Then a flock of Lesser Grebes swimming together with heads just snaking under water at very high speed to corral bait fish against the sand bar. Never seen that before either.

              But those two ghosting Red Tails really stuck with me...

              This machine kills Fascists.

              by KenBee on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 02:12:20 AM PST

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              •  You must be living right Ken! Very cool obser (3+ / 0-)
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                vations. I did not even know that blue herons dove or that lesser grebes worked together to corral bait fish either! Great  stuff. Of course Redtails, they don't have to do anything at all, just stand there and be a Redtail. They can't help but impress us.

                Just give me some truth. John Lennon--- OWS------Too Big To Fail

                by burnt out on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 04:27:06 AM PST

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