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  •  Interesting point. (0+ / 0-)

    It's sometimes hard to look betrayal in the face. We'd rather do anything else than face it. Why was Bush II re-elected by such a wide margin?

    It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

    by karmsy on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 11:15:41 AM PDT

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    •  Bush II wasn't reelected. (3+ / 0-)
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      He was appointed.

      There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance.

      by Levi the Oracle on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 12:31:47 PM PDT

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      •  OK, I frankly don't know enough (1+ / 0-)
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        to argue with you, but I will say this: Bush ended up with quite a whopping total of the vote in the 2004 election. It was close. It shouldn't even have been close, given that this man was a scoundrel and a rank incompetent. Kerry should have won in a walk, he didn't. Why? We'd had plenty of chance to watch Bush II in action. We knew that he was a bad actor and cared nothing for us. Why did he still have so many defenders in 2004? I believe his defenders didn't want to realize he didn't have their best interests at heart, just as Stalin's victims were still defending him right up to their execution.

        It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

        by karmsy on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 12:46:24 PM PDT

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        •  I think the main reason was 9/11 (1+ / 0-)
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          I can't remember exactly how many times 9/11 was said during the convention and the campaign but it was a staggering amount. The republican strategy of keeping the public scared and convincing them Dems were soft and couldn't bring Bin Laden to justice. Ahh the irony when we look back now. As usual the Democrats are left to clean up after the Republicans throw a war and toss our economy in the ditch.

          "Today we say all art is political. But I'd say all art has to do with ethics. Which after all really comes to the same thing. It's a matter of attitudes." ~Ingmar Bergman

          by Digital Auteur on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 01:29:25 PM PDT

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          •  The main reason was FOX and other (2+ / 0-)
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            propaganda outlets instilling fear and disinformation.    And don't forget that Rove consciously went after the Religious Right votes ....

            The elites that Rove et al epitomize don't care anything about morality, or religion....since they are only aftger the money/power....and so have no compunction at using various ideological groups to get their power.

            "I think it is much more interesting to live not knowing than to have answers that might be wrong." Richard Feynman

            by leema on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 05:19:03 PM PDT

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        •  I tend to agree with... (1+ / 0-)
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          Levi about the '04 Election, because of everything that went down in OH. I still believe Kerry actually won that state.

          All that aside, however, I think your assessment of why many people still chose to support Bush in 2004 is spot on.

          I believe his defenders didn't want to realize he didn't have their best interests at heart, just as Stalin's victims were still defending him right up to their execution.
          As Ed Shultz would say, for some voters it is all about God, Guns and Gays - or the "social issue" of your choice. The Neo-Cons use issues like gay marriage, abortion, gun laws to blind right-wingers and moderate "low information" voters. They also managed to convince them that Bush was a nice guy they'd "like to have a beer with." End result, most of those voters didn't pay attention to the real issues, and voted against their own best interests.

          It also didn't help that Bush used 9/11 to terrify half the country. People don't tend to think clearly when they are frightened, and right-wingers seemed to scared of everything, including their own shadows, these days, thanks to right-wing pundits like Beck and Limbaugh.

          It's more like the Cleavers adopted Eddie Haskell and are now regretting it bitterly ~ Charlie Pierce on Paul Ryan

          by AuroraDawn on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 11:22:30 PM PDT

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