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  •  you would have to be denied the (0+ / 0-)

    opportunity for a CSPAN bus to visit a school that was NOT politcal to understand my issue with this.   She IS
    the FLOTUS..not just another candidate's wife.  If she was pushing GOTV to elemntary school kids, then I might see a problem but she was never given the opportunity to speak..about learning about civics or importance of fitness or public education maybe?  I expected the Richmond news to spin that.

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    by Vetwife on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 09:06:35 AM PDT

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    •  When you are President (2+ / 0-)
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      there is a clear distinction between duties as President and campaign events.  Legally, they can't overlap -- those in the White House that are involved in campaign events even have to use a separate email -- not their government email -- for those matters.  The campaign, not the government arranges and pays for campaign events.  By law, there has to be a clear separation between the two.  

      So, when it's a campaign event, arranged and paid for by the campaign, yes, she is "just another candidate's wife." The law is specifically set up to make sure that, with respect to campaign events, she is specifically that, and the law is specifically set up so that she should not be able to use her status as the President's wife to get things, or appearances, or whatever, that would not be allowed if she were simply another candidate's wife.  

      •  then please explain this..respectfully asking (5+ / 0-)

        Wed. July 7, 2004
        -LB visits the Council Bluffs Public Library to promote the importance of summer reading in Council Bluffs, IA.

        Thurs. July 8, 2004

        Fri. July 9, 2004
        -LB appears with Gov. Mitt Romney at the George F. Kelly Elementary School to highlight the Reading First program in Chelsea, MA.
        -LB visits the Portsmouth Public Library to highlight the No Child Left Behind Summer Reading Achievers Program in Portsmouth, NH.

        Sat. July 10, 2004

        Sun. July 11, 2004

        Wed. July 14, 2004
        -LB takes part in a reading roundtable and media availability at Hueytown Elementary School in Hueytown, AL

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        by Vetwife on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 09:28:58 AM PDT

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        •  October 9, 2012 (4+ / 0-)

          "Mitt Romney looks like the CEO who fires you, then goes to the Country Club and laughs about it with his friends." ~ Thomas Roberts MSNBC

          by second gen on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 09:35:56 AM PDT

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        •  Easy... (0+ / 0-)

          None of these took place at that school in Virginia.

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          by lcj98 on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 09:36:23 AM PDT

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        •  Here's the question to ask about each of those (1+ / 0-)
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          Who was arranging and paying for the visit?

          In your link in the above article, it makes clear that, in the case of Mrs. Obama, the Obama campaign requested the visit.  That means that it was a campaign event.  Remember, the Obama campaign, by law, has to be separate and distinct from the Obama White House - an overlap would be a violation of federal law.  If it's a White House event, arranged and paid for with taxpayer funds, there can't be any hint of campaigning -- that would be a violation of federal law as well.  

          For those appearances by Mrs. Bush (even the one with then-Governor Romney), the question is, was that a campaign event -- arranged and paid for by the Bush re-election campaign -- or was it a White House event, at which there could be no campaigning, but only discussion of the reading programs?

          Again, remember, your links make clear that this request for Mrs. Obama to appear were made by the Obama campaign -- making them campaign events.  As I said before, if these were White House events, paid for by the taxpayers, and thus completely without any hint of campaigning, you would have a point and I  would share your outrage.

          What you fail to recognize is the clear legal wall between campaign events and White House events.  

          •  Last time I'll post it. (2+ / 0-)
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            Then why was Romney allowed to campaign at another Virginia school last week?

            "Mitt Romney looks like the CEO who fires you, then goes to the Country Club and laughs about it with his friends." ~ Thomas Roberts MSNBC

            by second gen on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 09:47:06 AM PDT

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            •  I suppose that the counterpoint to that (0+ / 0-)

              is "do we really want to stoop to the depths that the GOP does?"

              Maybe we we should, who knows?

              But in this particular case, I can't get Pink Floyd's "Leave them kids alone" out of my head . ..

            •  I answered you below (2+ / 0-)
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              allowing that impromptu stop was probably the wrong thing to do.  I suspect that if your children were in that photo with Romney, you would not have been happy.  And you would have every right to be upset.  I am not defending the behavior of that school.  (I suspect that the reason that stop happened was that the school had no warning -- Romney just saw the kids and told his motorcade to stop, as is explained in the article I linked to in my other comment.)  

              This school however, had a policy against allowing this kind of campaign event.  There's no evidence that this school violated that policy with respect to any other candidates. This school did the right thing by abiding by the policy of this school -- and the policy itself is a good thing, in my opinion.  

              The fact that the other school allowed that impromptu spot does not make THIS school wrong -- or  racist, as the diary implies -- for abiding by the pre-existing policy of THIS school not to have campaign events there.  

              •  IMHO, the real outrage is that Romney (1+ / 0-)
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                was able to exploit the kids, not that the FLOTUS was denied the opportunity to do so . ..

                Not to long ago, she apparently was able to get a gig on I Carly - now, if she was dead set on reaching a younger audience, that seemed like a totally appropriate forum to me (e.g., something so insipidly stupid to begin with, whatever was done to perturb the status quo was bound to improve it . . .).

                •  Just to be clear, if Romney wished to appear (0+ / 0-)

                  on I Carly (or any of the other fine entertainment Nickelodeon* provides for our kids) I have no problem with that .

                  Except, against all odds, I suspect that the aforementioned "insipid stupidity" would only increase in that case.

                  *note that the asterisk is to note that SpongeBob Squarepants - who incidentally outrates Bill O-Reilly 6:1 - definitely does not fall into the insipidly stupid category - virtually every episode includes a valuable life lesson of one type or another (or so I've been told).

              •  from ABC News (1+ / 0-)
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                It was the candidate’s decision to make the impromptu stop, an aide said, Romney standing beside Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell as a group of roughly 100 squealing students, who had since retreated inside Fairfield Elementary School, were promptly marched back outside of the school house by an advance staffer.
                So, it's okay for a staffer to go into a school and take kids out, but it's not okay for a pre-planned stop?

                Maybe not racism, but certainly favoritism.

                "Mitt Romney looks like the CEO who fires you, then goes to the Country Club and laughs about it with his friends." ~ Thomas Roberts MSNBC

                by second gen on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 10:21:39 AM PDT

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                •  Do you even read the comments here? (1+ / 0-)
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                  Nobody here said it was "okay for a staffer to go into a school and take the kids out."

                  Nobody here defended the action of the Fairfield school where Romney stopped.  

                  What I said is that, of the two schools, one did the right thing, and one did not.  The fact that the Fairfield school chose NOT to do the right thing with Romney's impromptu stop does not mean that this school is showing "favoritism."  This school did the right thing by (1) having a policy against campaign appearances; and (2) choosing to live by that policy.  

                  The Fairfield school, where Romney stopped, (1) should have had the same policy, and (2) should have told the Romney staffer that they don't have campaign events, even spur of the moment ones, at school during school hours.  

        •  I'm curious - why were those schools (2+ / 0-)
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          even in session in July?

          Seems a tad odd for elementary schools . ..   Or, is the distinction that these events occurred at Public Libraries (where presumably a bunch of kids weren't for all intents and purposes held hostage to politicking?).

          Having said that, yeah, whoever was running those places probably should have declined to hold the events listed . .. .

          •  Good point -- in July, it couldn't have been (1+ / 0-)
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            during school hours, when the kids were a captive audience.  It may have been that attendance was completely voluntary.  

            If Mrs. Obama wanted to hold a campaign rally at the school after hours, where it would be voluntary for both teachers and students, I would have no issue with that.  

        •  She was reading from 'My Pet Goat'? (0+ / 0-)

          Or would Laura Bush -- or her husband -- doing something like that have been deemed political and now allowed?

          •  Nobody has to decide whether it's political (1+ / 0-)
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            there is a clear, and federally-enforced, line between what is political (i.e., run and paid for by the campaign)  and what is not.  And federal law puts up a wall between the two.  Someone who works for the President at the White House cannot use his or her White House email to send emails in any way related to the campaign, for example, because there are strict laws in place about using taxpayer funded resources for campaigning in any way, shape, or form.

            If the campaign requests it and pays for it, it's political. If the Office of the President (taxpayer funded) requests it and pays for it, it had better NOT  be political, or that's a violation of federal law.

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