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  •  Sounds like a fair reading :) (1+ / 0-)
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    But from where I'm standing (the UK) fraud just wasn't an issue at all until postal voting became available more readily.

    So it's not a cureall.  But it does involve paper :)

    •  that makes sense (0+ / 0-)

      I think I feel similarly in the New York context: widespread Vote By Mail creates more problems than it solves. I certainly see why some people disagree.

      Meanwhile, in another part of the forest, a Kossack who has lurked for over three years without posting a single comment has just come out of the shadows to call out my "agenda, pushing e-voting." But I'm sure he(?) isn't one of those conspiracy theorists!

      Election protection: there's an app for that!
      Better Know Your Voting System with the Verifier!

      by HudsonValleyMark on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 10:19:42 AM PDT

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      •  You and I agree here (0+ / 0-)

        Vote by mail is a bad choice. No chain of custody.

        If I am wrong that you support e-voting, then perhaps I am confusing you with another Mark who I've seen post all over the Internet -- and I did think this was you -- who not only promotes e-voting, but regularly bashes Mark Crispin Miller and tries to "debunk" the work of very decent and honest election investigators.

        Are you just his cousin?

        •  heck if I know what you're talking about (0+ / 0-)

          Who has time to post all over the internet? I sure as hell don't. But I may have debunked someone you like.

          Whoever it was who did the debunking, was he right on the facts, or wrong? If he was right, he can be my cousin, if he isn't me.

          If you didn't exactly notice whether he was right or wrong, but just decided that he was on the opposite side, well, shrug.

          (I didn't mean "lurking" as a pejorative, by the way, but I do understand about not even remembering you had an account somewhere.)

          Election protection: there's an app for that!
          Better Know Your Voting System with the Verifier!

          by HudsonValleyMark on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 04:58:31 PM PDT

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        •  HudsonValleyMark (0+ / 0-)

          has certainly done a fair bit of debunking, for which I applaud him.  He has also promoted (and helped design) good mandatory, independent, random audit procedures, auditable paper ballots, and secure custody of the ballots between the casting of the vote and the audit.

          He's also investigated e-voting errors (whether deliberate or otherwise) that could have put the wrong person in office.

          He's bashed Mark Crispin Miller (as have I) where (IMO) Mark Crispin Miller has been wrong, but applauded him when he's been right.  IIRC he was instrumental in getting MCM to emphasise voter suppression rather than electronic vote fraud (the former having plenty of evidence to support it, the latter fairly little, at least on an election-stealing scale).

          Full disclosure: I have worked closely with HudsonValleyMark in trying to sift the real problems from the chaff.  There's been a fair bit of chaff.

      •  And I don't lurk . . . (0+ / 0-)

        I actually never come here. I signed up years back and then was turned off by the site for various reasons, I frequent other online news sources. Someone alerted me to your comments against Mark Crispin Miller and that's the only reason I responded. Actually I didn't even know I had once signed up and had an account . . .

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