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  •  To be blunt (11+ / 0-)

    there are far too many Democrats, liberals, moderates, and even journalists who seem to perpetually assume that Movement Conservatism is so obviously bad, so obviously awful, that the Right simply discredits itself.

    At this point, I have only one answer:

    You simply can't assume, in American politics, that some things are so obvious, some failures so great, that pure common sense will do your work winning the argument for you.

    You have to take the position that you can't assume any past epic fail is great enough or painful enough to beat the Rightwing of the Republican Party and set it back to a permanent minority party.

    I know to an outsider that must sound like a damning indictment of my country, but it's the best answer that I have.

    Republicans win elections, on the local, state, and national levels, that they have no business even being competative in if the past (even recently so) results of their governance is the litmus test for future chances at elective office.

    The only answer I can find is that Movement Conservatism is able to come back because Movement Conservatism has not been discredited, debunked, and demolished by the other side.

    The greatest critique of my party is that it does the same thing, over and over and over again, like pursue bipartisanship and common ground with people acting in bad faith and behaving in the most partisan manner possible, in the face of all evidence to do the opposite.

    I am from the Elizabeth Warren and Darcy Burner wing of the Democratic Party

    by LeftHandedMan on Tue Oct 16, 2012 at 03:18:56 AM PDT

    •  Let me be even more blunt: (17+ / 0-)

      If we wake up to a President Mitt Romney, he will put John Bolton or Liz Cheney in the Secretary of Defense office. They'll get in too.

      Then, the groundwork will be laid for a war with Iran.

      The Romney administration will be worst than W. Much worse.

      With the war with Iraq being sold using the exact same longterm scare campaign and lies and feakouts that the George W. Bush administration used to bullshit us into the Iraq War. Even without 9/11 to hang the biggest lie of them all on, that Saddam had a role in 9/11, the Bushies were going to get us into a conflict in Iraq somehow.

      The media will go into the tank. And there will be plenty of people outside of the GOP who will back them up on the scare tactics.

      Some of them will be the very same so-called "liberal hawks" who helped Bush out in 2002-2004.  

      If we wake up to a President Mitt Romney, the first thing he will do economically is a massive tax cut for the rich, even bigger than Bushes, and while he lays out a longterm plan to gut every regulatory agency he can by putting Heritage Foundation and AEI hacks in power inside them, he'll be fixated on elimating the estate tax and probably getting rid of capital gains taxes.

      Suddenly, the deficit will go back to 'deficits don't matter' ville, and the Village Deficit hawks will go silent.

      The civil rights division will go right back to looking for examples where black people, and other people of color, are "oppressing" rich white people.

      You have to make a partisan argument, and fearlessly, to win an argument.

      The GOP really hasn't been in a partisan bare-knucked ideological struggle with the Democratic Party in my lifetime. If anything, Democrats have tried to use Movement Conservative policy to achieve liberal outcomes, which never builds the brand.


      I am from the Elizabeth Warren and Darcy Burner wing of the Democratic Party

      by LeftHandedMan on Tue Oct 16, 2012 at 03:28:32 AM PDT

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