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  •  I wish they just called them "lies" (2+ / 0-)
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    Laurence Lewis, Aspe4

    Malarkey, while a "civilized" word, isn't going to resonate with voters like the word "lie" will. We need to keep the language plain and black-and-white.

    My dream for tonight is to hear the words: "My opponent is a liar. He is lying to you. Here's the truth."

    •  obama can't do that (1+ / 0-)
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      it would give too many people the vapors. but by revealing each lie as a lie, he can prove romney a liar without calling him one.

      The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

      by Laurence Lewis on Tue Oct 16, 2012 at 10:45:01 AM PDT

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      •  The vapors? (0+ / 0-)

        I guess that's a term for making him unlikable?

        I wonder if we really need Obama to be likable at this point in the game? Just as a thought, humor me for a second.

        We have about 40% of the country that already hates this guy in some degree either from racial bias, buying into propaganda, or legitimate policy disagreements. There are another 40-something percent of the population who are supporting the President, and a few percent who are not sure.

        I'm just wondering if Obama came out as "mean" or "unlikable" tonight if a significant portion of the people on his side would switch. Do people really care if they "like" their candidate, or will they support a "mean" guy if they agree that the person is honest, and agree with the candidate's policy decisions?

        I would think no, that likability matters. Still, I have seen a batch of unlikable, actually truly shitty, people take office both locally and possibly nationally at the end of this election. Some of Romney's primary opponents were even WORSE. Yet millions upon millions of people stand behind these guys despite all of the dog abuse and extremist religious views and NASCAR insults, insulting almost half of America in one shot, etc. There are Republicans who are decent people too, but Allen West? Really?!?

        Personally, I want Obama to be tough. Not barking-dog tough, but Joe Biden tough for sure. Biden didn't let Ryan's lies stick. He challenged Ryan on every point, every time, with a huge smile on his face. I want Obama to be like that, except that he could use the L word instead of just "malarkey" this time.

        •  I Wrote Last Week (1+ / 0-)
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          I'm just wondering if Obama came out as "mean" or "unlikable" tonight if a significant portion of the people on his side would switch.
          I posed a very similar question over the weekend (based upon the same reality you reference; to wit that there are folks who hate President Obama period and nothing he does is goign to change it) when someone stated for the umpeenth time that President Obama risked being perceived as an "angry Black man".  I wonder whether the votes we are really scared of losing are not the undecided ones, or the haters, but those of people supposedly on our side.

          I too agree that calling a liar a liar is the most effective way to make sure that people know he's lying.  One day someone will help me understand why there is some rule against this in "politics".  (Perhaps because politicians lie, way way too often?)

          •  IDK (0+ / 0-)

            All I know is, if I end up running for office, I'm throwing that rule book out the window. I may not be able to run as a Democrat for doing so, but I will tell someone to their face that they are lying if in fact they are caught in a fib.

            There was another diary on here about the "angry black man" hypocrisy. Its ridiculous that being angry is OK for white, Asian, Latino, etc. people, but suddenly there's a negative stereotype if the person is black.

            I'm just concerned that "malarkey" is more cute than scathing. Some people aren't going to understand what that word means. Everyone knows what "lie" means.

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