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  •  Wishful thinking (6+ / 0-)

    I saw the debate and Romney really wasn't that good; nowhere near as good as Kerry, for instance. He was good enough to rebound from record poor favorability levels to rather average favorability levels, and to pull the race about as close as it probably would have been all along if the Republicans had a strong candidate.

    But please do carry on building him up...

    •  I still don't quite understand it (2+ / 0-)
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      jj32, bjssp

      Considering the president's approval rating. Notwithstanding his approval numbers according to PPP which I understand even less.

      "What do you mean "conspiracy"? Does that mean it's someone's imaginings and that the actual polls hovered right around the result?" - petral

      by conspiracy on Tue Oct 16, 2012 at 12:48:20 PM PDT

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      •  I know I'm thought of as (0+ / 0-)

        a relentless, almost hopeless naive optimist, but at the same time, I just don't think the debate changed all that much. If things continue to go badly for Obama, if they get worse after a possible weak debate performance tonight, then there might be a case for a Romney surge. Other than that, not so much.

        "The election of Mitt Romney and a supporting congress this November would be a...disaster for America. Think of the trainwreck that has been the Conservative government in Britain since 2010. And square it."--Brad DeLong

        by bjssp on Tue Oct 16, 2012 at 12:54:15 PM PDT

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      •  Someone suggested (0+ / 0-)

        That it does not matter if his approval improves at the margin if in parallel Romney becomes a more acceptable alternative.

        •  Someone also said (6+ / 0-)

          There is no need for an alternative if the incumbent is acceptable.

          "What do you mean "conspiracy"? Does that mean it's someone's imaginings and that the actual polls hovered right around the result?" - petral

          by conspiracy on Tue Oct 16, 2012 at 01:03:26 PM PDT

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          •  Except that (0+ / 0-)

            in this economy, the incumbent being acceptable does not completely negate being tempted to vote for someone you might be open to thinking will do better.

            Not arguing the approval isn't a good fundamental to have in the pocket as we approach the election. Just trying to explain the discrepancy.

            •  There's no history of that (5+ / 0-)
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              LordMike, itskevin, sacman701, wu ming, jncca

              Your argument has never been borne out in history.  No President with positive job approval has ever been turned out.

              It's happened before downballot, but only because a state or district is heavily partisan against the incumbent's party, plus there's a wave election against that incumbent's party.  That was Lincoln Chafee's problem.  And it's looking like it'll happen to Scott Brown even without a wave.

              But the country is evenly-divided, neither side has a partisan advantage in the electorate.

              If Obama's job approval is net positive with voters in reality, he will win.  Of that I'm sure.

              44, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and 2 boys, Democrat, VA-10

              by DCCyclone on Tue Oct 16, 2012 at 01:20:58 PM PDT

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      •  My optimistic expectation is (6+ / 0-)

        that if Obama can get a win tonight, things could shift very quickly in his direction. The fundmentals of the race, job approval and economy, are good for him. He has held up well in Ohio, NV, IA, and some of the national polls.

        He'd get the momentum and the comeback kid narrative,
        and, especially if he answers the Libya question well, it could set him to do well in next week's foreign policy debate.

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