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  •  India and New Jersey (2+ / 0-)

    Your uncle knows that New Jersey isn't a separate country, doesn't he?

    Yes on 30, No on 32, No on 38.

    -7.75, -8.10; All it takes is security in your own civil rights to make you complacent, and we are all Wisconsin.

    by Dave in Northridge on Tue Oct 16, 2012 at 10:06:01 PM PDT

    •  I think he is making the point - how do we (0+ / 0-)

      keep jobs in CA? How do we keep companies from searching for lower tax rates in other states?

      It's a good point, I admit. I'd like an answer that will satisfy the readers, if not him.

      "Compassion is not weakness, and concern for the unfortunate is not socialism." - Hubert Humphrey

      by Killer of Sacred Cows on Tue Oct 16, 2012 at 10:07:37 PM PDT

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      •  That kind of question (1+ / 0-)
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        Demands a stastical, not anecdotal answer.  He may be seeing some business leave the state but that's not really evidence.

      •  easy answer (1+ / 0-)
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        Killer of Sacred Cows

        1. make the most of industries that have to be located in CA - agriculture, tourism, real estate, locally installed wind and solar (and wave!) power, etc.

        2. sustain the infrastructure and educational system necessary to develop a steady flow of new industries, by paying taxes and funding government. we aren't going to beat china and india on the low wage end, so beat them on the innovation and skilled labor end.

        3. start treating our incredibly diverse population as an economic resource, educate and integrate them into a dynamic state culture, and then let them further connect CA businesses with the rest of the world through their diverse familial, linguistic and cultural connections. and yes, this takes a state investment in education yet again.

        we're never going to successfully pull off the southern state tactic of low skill low wage low tax industries using sweetheart deals to poach industries from elsewhere. like a good farm system does for baseball teams like the a's, if we put the seed money into nurturing local and immigrant talent, we can grow far more jobs than we could poach, and they're more likely to stay here too.

        finally, california is a fucking nice place to live, and that gives us a palpable advantage at both attracting and retaining talent for our economy.

        honestly, i'm not convinced you can reach this guy, but that's my rebuttal.

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