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  •  AK-47s are rifles. (10+ / 0-)

    They look scary, but they're just semi-automatic rifles like other semi-automatic rifles. You have to jump enough gub'ment hoops to have a high level license in order to own an automatic weapon - you cannot buy one at WalMart or the pawn shop.

    Most of the singular and mass killings that too often hit the news in this country are done using handguns, not rifles. So I saw the whole gun control exchange in the debate last night as a red herring for focusing on a scary-looking rifle that might be used to hunt deer but isn't concealable enough to be a big danger to humans in the 'hood.

    •  So Lily's more of a AR15 (2+ / 0-)
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      kind of toddler.  

      Got it.  

    •  Today's hand guns may have magazine clips (6+ / 0-)

      holding 17, 21 or even 30+ rounds, may have red dot or laser sighting, and it's not hard to carry multiple clips and more than one handgun with the clever concealed carry holsters and vests.  Handguns like these may cost $500 to $1,000, even up to $3000 or more, depending on features and gun collector appeal, so they may not be impulse buy items for most of us.  But if one plans and intends on wreaking havoc and death upon dozens of people and generate lots of media attention, this is, regrettably, not difficult to do.

      In the time it takes for a semi-auto handgun shooter to empty several large clips, few panicked individuals can complete a 911 call, and if so, the police and armed guard response time isn't likely to be sufficient to stop the shooter before dozens more are hurt or killed.  Toss in a few panicky conceal-carry citizens, perhaps a bit too eager to prove they're the next Dirty Harry, and there could be lethal gun fire in many directions, some of which might hit the original assailant.  We've seen news stories of trained police who have difficulty limiting their shooting to avoid innocent bystanders with handguns, so Joe Schmoe with his CCL sure isn't likely to have more self-discipline and training.

      I have been an avid hunter since youth (Wisconsin family traditions even for 'liberals'), but I do feel that to carry a handgun in populated areas should be harder to do legally than getting a driver's license and operating a licensed vehicle.  And one should have to pass far more rigorous training than driver's edcation to get that CCL and carry in public.  When the 2nd Amendment passed, a musket or pistol could take 30 seconds to a minute or more to reload after a first shot, and the majority of the population lived in the country and farmed. Sure, a bow and arrows would fire much faster.  But now, someone with an easy to conceal Glock handgun can empty several clips of 10 to 30+ shots each in less than 1 minute and 97% of us live in populated areas. I think having foresight of these changesmight have given our founding fathers pause.  As it was,  they linked 'well-regulated militia' to the right to bear arms, so being accountable to the community and oversight is certainly implied.

      When life gives you wingnuts, make wingnut butter!

      by antirove on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 12:15:12 PM PDT

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      •  Tipped for "well-regulated". (2+ / 0-)
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        I am generally pro-2nd Amendment, but can we please require training?

        From time to time I target practice with handguns and I can't hit a thing!  Yet I can get a concealed-carry license in several states and be a danger to all around me.

        Training should be required, rigorous, frequent, and (as a pacifier to the Gun Guys) free.

        Oh, and once trained, you are considered In The Militia and can be called up for emergencies...

      •  They couldn't say this (0+ / 0-)

        Above: "Today's hand guns may have magazine clips." If would have been good to just describe, as you have done, the facts of guns, but they can't do it because too much hissing and fainting from gun lovers. Even describing the laws would have been preferable to Obama's riff on violence.  Adults can take it. But what Romney said... just goofy. I think he forgot the question, was off in the weeds of his talking points.

        And as it turns out, winning a debate is surprisingly easy when a candidate decides he can say anything and expect to get away with it. -Rachel Maddow

        by mrobinson on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 01:42:55 PM PDT

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    •  Hunting with an AK-47 (5+ / 0-)

      The only thing hunted with this weapon has 2 legs. It's a military weapon, period, not for stalking deer in the forest.

      I quit belonging to the NRA when they went crazy and said that semi-automatic rifles like this were "sporting guns." BS!

    •  Jump through government hoops and pay big money... (2+ / 0-)
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      KVoimakas, rockhound

      ANY full auto capable firearm sold in the US MUST be sold through a Class III dealer, and I guarantee you it will cost as much as a car, maybe a very high end car. You can not get them at a "gun show", not can you get a parts kit to make them into automatic weapons.

      Also, the "AK"'s sold in the USA are toys compared to the real military AK's. They are made from some old military parts, but the receiver and internal parts are NOT capable of being transformed into a select fire AK.
       I have owned 4 or 5 of them over the years.

      mark

      Retired AFSCME Steward and union thug-licensed gun carrying progressive veteran.

      by old mark on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 09:40:55 AM PDT

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