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  •  The final evolution of this will be two different (2+ / 0-)
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    anti-terror squads setting each other up as terrorists without realizing who the other is... trolling for jihadis on wanna be websites... pretending to be a big mojo terrorist recruiter or martyrdom seeker and selling fake bombs to each other and eventually trying to arrest each other...

    But how to prove that they were only playacting and did not mean it?

    And going for simpleton low hanging fruit on the internet will they miss other more for real nasties?

    or has Al Qaeda been so decimated that the feds are stuck scraping the bottom of the jihadi wanna be barrel and coming up with easily fooled teens and twenty-something dupes?

    Pogo & Murphy's Law, every time. Also "Trust but verify" - St. Ronnie (hah...)

    by IreGyre on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 02:45:00 PM PDT

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    •  A CT under every rock at DK these days. (3+ / 0-)

      We're getting Gish Gallopped ourselves.

      •  don't need a CT. The extensive hand holding (3+ / 0-)
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        these later plotters need does hint at these sorts of things becoming more and more routine fishing expeditions with a well established process for landing plotters... and eventually will it become more a parody of itself... deadly serious and also elaborate charade?

        We may not be there yet but the same pattern occurs over and over in different guises in all levels of law enforcement... just because the bad guys out there at this level can play for keeps does not mean that erring on the side of caution by the Feds may not end up with them playacting and looking good with not much actual terror prevention really happening as they cast their nets wider in fished out waters.

        the DEA and many other outfits have degenerated into squads of formulaic entrapment gamers. Why not anti terror squads? the danger of this kind of devolution is always present in any law enforcement agency or authority... Prosecutors play these kinds of games and manufacture larger crimes from small ones and even make situations where there was no crime at all into a very serious set of indictments... And probably a lot of the time they actually believe the things they "discover"...

        And just look at how devalued "Terrorism" as a word is... the accusation of it is hurled around almost as casually as Nazi.

        Pogo & Murphy's Law, every time. Also "Trust but verify" - St. Ronnie (hah...)

        by IreGyre on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 03:13:35 PM PDT

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    •  It has come painfully close to that IRL! (3+ / 0-)
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      FBI hires a con-man to be an undercover informant and attempt to recruit "Jihadis" at a mosque in Irvine, CA. Thousands of dollars a month.

      Mosque members that the con-man is trying to "recruit" are scared as hell by the radical rhetoric he's spouting, will have none of it, and turn him over to-- wait for it -- the FBI.

      The FBI, instead of congratulating the mosque members for their good citizenship, harasses and investigates the shit out of them, tries to turn one of them as another informant, and when he refuses, they arrest him.

      You can't make this shit up. Your tax dollars at work.

      •  The WoT got "A" teams in the beginning... (0+ / 0-)

        but as time went on... there are just so many really super capable people in any organization... plus they increased manpower on it for a while... then fewer hits due to earlier successes and as Al Quaeda was worn down there were not all that many bigger fish left... just lots of lower down disorganized and a lot of internet jihadis... a lot to keep track of... but not all that many even somewhat substantial plots and organizing... (not that it is going away... Mali and Somalia are big... Yemen is still  a problem... Syria is soaking up a lot of interest and may end up with a lot of newly experienced jihadi types with nothing to do and liable to move on if the regime there implodes )...

        So while the current A teams are busy with the hot areas... the B and C teams are stuck with the rest and they still want to make names for themselves etc... so are very incentivized to come up with big catches... or ANY catches...

        ...so we seem to have a have fair number of clock punchers getting a lot of overtime ginning up small time lightweight "terrorists"...

        Pogo & Murphy's Law, every time. Also "Trust but verify" - St. Ronnie (hah...)

        by IreGyre on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 10:49:39 AM PDT

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