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  •  I am sorry if I was unclear (4+ / 0-)

    I was not referring to you or your diary for that matter.  I think you did a good job on the pre-defense.   I was referring to the propensity that we, as a party, tend to have.  They rarely walk back the ignorant and hateful shit they throw out (not gaffes, but deliberate statements), but we're always afraid of being caught in a gaffe etc.  It puts them in the driver's seat and I don't like that.  My comments were in reference to that propensity from our side -- not at all to you or your diary.  I am aware we're on the same side. :)

    I vote Democratic because I am a woman with self-respect , who rejects bigotry of all kinds, subscribes to science, believes in universal health care, embraces unions, and endorses smart internationalist foreign policy.

    by Delilah on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 10:38:02 PM PDT

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    •  Ah, I see. Thanks for clarifying. (4+ / 0-)
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      Downstream, a few Kossacks have sounded the debbie downer alarm, claiming this is pointless or whatever, whereas, as you say, it's just helpful to understand the poor thinking on the other side and be aware of the actual facts in case this comes up.  Not talking about it so that it doesn't become a bigger story isn't helpful, and doesn't necessarily prevent it from becoming a bigger story anyhow.  Glad we see eye to eye :)

      I agree we have a propensity to eat our own when things are not going well—which I think we are learning to do less of, seeing how the supposed conservative right has rallied around their now-moderate prince even as he's betrayed and lied his way through all this.  The right's ability to stay flexible and even abandon certain logical consistencies in order to advance their bigger cause is absolutely terrifying—and worth being mindful of and sometimes even emulating.

      Follow me on Twitter. You'll have a lot of fun: @THTBAW.

      by therehastobeaway on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 10:44:46 PM PDT

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      •  It is terrifying (1+ / 0-)
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        They are craven.  

        To the commentary downthread, the thing is that we probably are all -- at some subterranean level -- stressed about things going awry.   For some people, they want to head the crap off at the pass before it turns bad (I think that's what you're doing), and for other people, they're actively trying to shift our orientation to one of more assertiveness against the hard right (thus the trash talking that even I use to this end).  But we're all on the same team.  None of us want to see victory on the 6th derailed.

        I vote Democratic because I am a woman with self-respect , who rejects bigotry of all kinds, subscribes to science, believes in universal health care, embraces unions, and endorses smart internationalist foreign policy.

        by Delilah on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 11:00:50 PM PDT

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    •  Pre-defense. (1+ / 0-)
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      The Clintons call that Rapid Response.

      John Kerry didn't realize such a thing were necessary until too late.

      In the age of social media, it never hurts to "set the record straight" before it gets all skewed and crooked.

      Spreading facts is like vaccinating against distortions and lies. The problem is that we're usually not sure what they're going to choose to distort. When we get a glimpse of their schemes, it makes sense to disseminate correct info. At worst, people will think, "so? why did she tweet this info?"  Actually, at best, they'll have that response too, because that means that the distortions didn't gain any traction. It didn't spread. So your info will seem to have no context. That's fine.

      Nothing wrong with tweeting/posting/linking facts and information as long as you don't inadvertently create a narrative by doing so.

      © grover


      So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

      by grover on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 02:01:01 AM PDT

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