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  •  Quinnipiac OH +5 very reassuring! (5+ / 0-)

    Most of the other polls are either shaky (ARG) or (R) leaning, so very little useful data in OH until this came through.

    If Ras has O+! in OH, Nate would say that this is equivalent to O+3, due to the ras house effect.  Same goes for Gravis, Purple, WAA, and perhaps also ARG.

    ARG could now be a (R) poll - not sure of the details, but is it possible that ARG was "acquired" or taken over by a (R) entity?  It has been described as having (R) ownership or affiliation, and this would explain their apparent R bias.

    •  All well and good . . . (3+ / 0-)

      to understand sample skews and be able to extrapolate to higher numbers for Obama. But if you're stealing an election through various means, obstruction, intimidation, confusion -- and most important, electronic manipulation -- then having polling that portrays a race tighter than it is will make the theft easier to pull off.

      Don't ask me nothin' about nothin'. I just might tell ya the truth -- B. Dylan

      by ponderer on Mon Oct 22, 2012 at 09:35:24 PM PDT

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      •  there is something that's (3+ / 0-)

        been bothering me about the make up of these so called focus groups? MSNBC had a group on tonight in whch every person except one thought that the President won, yet at least three gave various eye-glazing reasons for electing rmoney. My hunch is some of those hundreds of millions of dollars are being used to buy "ringers" for these groups. I also  think that all tools of the election fraud trade have been bought and is being brought to bear. I still think that the President will win this election, but, I don't believe that people understand how huge the attempt to commit  fraud the SOBs have planned . We have to GOTV like our future depends on it. The " bank heist" of 2008 was a "local" operation compared to the current assault that these fuckers are planning. GO VOTE AND MAKE SURE EVERYONE ELSE VOTES. If you have to bring food and water in some areas do it. Have your cameras ready to record any out of place behaviour, get all the help numbers to call in case anyone runs into voter suppresssion, BE PREPARED TO WORK HARD. I realize that i'm preaching to the choir but, my military background says, you can't be too prepared to fight. This is too important. We must WIN.

        Life is just for living - Ernie Smith DON'T VOTE HATE, VOTE FREEDOM

        by longtimelurker on Mon Oct 22, 2012 at 10:34:39 PM PDT

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      •  Bush's team stole OH in 2004 (0+ / 0-)

        not only by eliminating voting machines from Democratic precincts, but also

        the State of OH contracted with a private, Republican-donating and leaning firm.  Right after the election, the firm went out of business and out of State, and there was no accountability for the Bush margin of victory.

        This case was never adequately investigated, except by journalists - they stole the 2004 election - OH would have won it for Kerry.

        Bush stole both 2000 and 2004 elections in FL & OH, two States we're depending on.

        Rick Scott and John Kasich are the Republican Governors of FL and OH.  They have proven that they will do anything in their power to influence the results of the election.

        We shouldn't count on OH if it's going to be super-close.  VA has a R Governor, too.  But NC has a Dem Governor, and I think it may be NC that provides the margin of victory in a fair election.

    •  ARG, I think.... (0+ / 0-)

      ....isn't so much partisan as they are inaccurate.

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