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  •  Only the Liberal Arts in large measure (16+ / 0-)

    ...can prepare a human to act as a responsible informed citizen.


    A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five. -- Groucho Marx

    by Pluto on Mon Oct 22, 2012 at 04:45:16 PM PDT

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    •  Why thank you Pluto, how did you know that I (2+ / 0-)
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      /snark

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      by divineorder on Mon Oct 22, 2012 at 05:01:54 PM PDT

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      •  Ha. (13+ / 0-)

        Saw this in Salon:

        The purpose of a liberal arts education was always meant to be a political education. The Latin ars liberalis refers to the skills required of a free man — that is the skills of a citizen.... history, rhetoric and literature were seen as the skills a citizen needed for his job: governing.

        - Katie Bellotte

        It all suddenly made sense.


        A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five. -- Groucho Marx

        by Pluto on Mon Oct 22, 2012 at 05:51:56 PM PDT

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        •  Excellent quote, yes! (0+ / 0-)

          Move Single Payer Forward? Join 18,000 Doctors of PNHP and 185,000 member National Nurses United

          by divineorder on Mon Oct 22, 2012 at 06:25:14 PM PDT

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        •  it was meant to be an aristocratic education (9+ / 0-)

          The liberal arts have their origins in the days when any practical education - for a long time including engineering and medicine - was considered beneath the scions of aristocracy.  It was political in the sense that it was concerned primarily with molding character, breeding statesmen, and arming those statesmen with mind-warping powers of rhetoric.

          Remember also that in Classical antiquity, "citizen" was pretty much synonymous with "ruling class".  Most people who lived someplace were not citizens (slaves, women, landless workers, etc.) and most of those who were citizens on paper simply did not have the money and/or the leisure to be educated and politically active to a standard set by those who had nothing else to do but rule.

          Bow tie wearing paleocons actually do argue for a liberal arts education today, at least in the particular form of a "great books" education, and for many of the same reasons.  However, like any other conservative, they elevate values above knowledge, arguing that the alternative is a society ruled by soulless technocratic busybodies.

          To those who say the New Deal didn't work: WWII was also government spending

          by Visceral on Mon Oct 22, 2012 at 07:20:58 PM PDT

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          •  Interesting (1+ / 0-)
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            Thank you very much.


            A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five. -- Groucho Marx

            by Pluto on Mon Oct 22, 2012 at 07:43:23 PM PDT

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          •  Bow tie wearing paleocons (0+ / 0-)

            Known too many of these. Lol

            It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

            by War on Error on Tue Oct 23, 2012 at 04:42:09 AM PDT

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          •  "Great books" education, "cultural literacy," etc. (0+ / 0-)
            Bow tie wearing paleocons actually do argue for a liberal arts education today, at least in the particular form of a "great books" education, and for many of the same reasons.
            But that movement was spearheaded by old men decades ago, and those of them who aren't dead yet have long since lost their influence over our culture. (Leftover reactionary twits like David Brooks are pale imitations.) The Allen Bloom of the late '90s would gain no traction at all, in our 21st-century cultural environment. By the same token, amateur scribblers on culture and history like David Barton, Glenn Beck, O'Reilly, Coulter, little Jonah Goldberg et al would have been mocked and dismantled by mainstream conservative prigs. (Strange to imagine that there was a time not long ago when academic amateurs [Barton], drop-out deejays [Beck, Limbaugh] and beneficiaries of Christian degree-mill certificates weren't taken seriously by the GOP!)
          •  A whole lot of other people (0+ / 0-)

            think a liberal arts education is important — but not just limited to that.

            History is important to give grounding and learn about human nature — but the old LAs programs ignored not Western history so that really needs to be supplemented as does Literature courses. Additional languages are enriching and mind expanding.

            It is not just all about an aristocracy.

            I'm asking you to believe. Not in my ability to bring about real change in Washington ... *I'm asking you to believe in yours.* Barack Obama

            by samddobermann on Tue Oct 23, 2012 at 02:17:50 PM PDT

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