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  •  My machine . (1+ / 0-)
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    The one I run .

    If so, how can you say that unless you have audited one of those machines by counting the paper receipts and comparing them to the machines internal totals?
    The paper printout is a ballot , the ballot is cast on paper . The paper ballot is what is counted . The internal number is nothing . The printer is sealed within a container , that container is the ballot box .
    You are putting blind faith in a system that can be easily manipulated and corrupted.
    Nope . You are mistaken .
    I'll take my chances with that complicated paper ballot every day!
    Oops , you just made it easier for me to mess with your vote .
    Are you saying that you are 100% certain these machines are functioning correctly and properly counting the vote totals?
    My machine does not count vote totals in any official way . The machine could say 1 or a million and it does not matter .
    I know that my machine is working correctly because my voters say that it is printing out their votes correctly , only once they tell me the printout has correctly recorded their choices  does the last button get pressed , the cast ballot button .

    At the end of the night , the print out in the sealed ballot box gets returned to the election officials at the election office . The printout is on one or more rolls of paper . No individual ballot can be removed from the tape without the tape being torn , no individual vote can be changed on the tape without it showing . If a voter has "undervoted" no one can change that . The "overvote" will not be allowed by the machine .
    With a traditional paper ballot , individual ballots can be "lost" , replaced , undervotes can be voted after the voter is gone , overvotes can be done to void the voters vote .

    If you are worried about tricks being played , go for the machine I run , it has many advantages .  

    Running a machine and programming that machine are 2 very different things.
    Programmers who never run the machine in real world voting are only programmers . Until they experience what is really going on ...

    I'm guessing you are voting by mail .
    So you might have a ballot or a copy of a ballot .
    Make a list on your computer of everything on the ballot .

    Make a list of what you are voting for or against and make a non vote for what you are not voting in .

    President = Dan
    Senator = Jane
    Prop 1 = No
    Prop 2 = yes
    Prop 3 = no vote
    Dog Catcher = Mitt
    School bond = Yes

    etc etc etc

    Now print out that list  .
    That is your ballot on my machine , look it over and make sure that's an accurate printout of your choices , if it is then drop it in the box , if it is not accurate please redo it until it is correctly reflecting your choices .

    Take your traditional ballot filled out , hold it next to the print out . Compare them . Can you see on the traditional ballot who you have and have not voted for as easily , as quickly ?

    In the real world of my polling place , people have problems with filling out traditional ballots , undervotes , overvotes , non votes .
    If they have filled out their ballots incorrectly and reviewed their votes incorrectly , and this happens over and over on every election I have worked , they are not getting their choices down on paper correctly .
    The optical scanner I run will spitout some ballots it "sees" as problems . The ballot is handed back to the voter by the machine . A small printout has minimal info on the "problem" . It will not catch all mistakes .

    The touch screen is much more helpful when people have problems voting . Before a voter can cast a ballot with undervotes , the machine asks the voter to say that they really do want to undervote . If the voter didn't want to undervote the machine will take them right to the spot on the ballot that was undervoted .

    If someone tries to overvote the machine will stop and wait until the voter undoes the first vote before it will allow the 2nd vote .

    If a machine does not have a paper printout ,
    don't vote on it .

    Now about the internal counter .
    My machine does count votes .
    At poll closing , it displays vote totals , it prints vote totals on the end of the roll of votes .
    I copy down the numbers , the vote totals from the screen .
    The machine records the votes , vote totals etc on an electronic card .
    After the election officials count the votes on the paper roll they look to make sure the machine recorded the same numbers .
    If the paper shows 50 votes for Don and 50 votes for Mary , the machine had better show that it counted 50 and 50 also . If the paper ballots cast are not recorded 100% accurately inside the machine a big red flag goes up .  
    Anything that does not line up 100% with what is on the paper ballots is a big clue that the machine has a problem ,
    that a programmer has made a mistake or has done a crime .

    "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

    by indycam on Wed Oct 24, 2012 at 09:00:06 AM PDT

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    •  Thanks Indycam!!! (0+ / 0-)

      I've got it now! I was not familiar with that type of voting machine. In fact, it sounds more like a sophisticated pencil. That sounds like a much better system because you can audit the electronic totals agains the actual paper ballots which are used for counting. In essence, there is a double count of the votes. Who makes this equipment?

      Thanks for explaining!!

      Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.

      by reflectionsv37 on Wed Oct 24, 2012 at 03:07:22 PM PDT

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