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  •  I have to disagree, HVM (5+ / 0-)

    Trobadour's diary is no different than an information packet on how to avoid rape... stick to well-lighted areas, travel in groups, how to defend yourself, how to use mace.  If the worst does happen, here's how to seek help.  

    Such information does not assume that you ever will be raped, or that you are likely to be raped.  It does take into account that rape has occurred, elsewhere, to others, and based on those crimes, everyone should be wary.  Not paranoid, never-leave-your-house wary, but smart-wary.  

    •  I think a more apt analogy (4+ / 0-)

      is an information packet about how to avoid being gored by a unicorn.

      •  Well, election fraud does exist... (0+ / 0-)

        Beyond the cases going on in Virginia (destroyed registrations) and Indiana (purging of the rolls), there are many other historical examples of missing ballots, re-discovered ballot boxes, vote shaving, and other stuff, going back to antiquity, so this isn't unicorn fantasy we're dealing with.  I do doubt sincerely that it can occur on a scale and to a degree that will affect the outcome. How many thousands of election workers and officials would have to be in on the conspiracy, and how many others would have to be bought off, and how many others still would have to be totally quiet about what they observed for this to work, multiplied by the number of states necessary to effect a Rmoney victory?  THAT is the goat in the corner, eating your slippers and giving you the WTF look.

        As we have concurred elsewhere, though, the "my mutual fund portfolio gives me control over the output of the electronic voting machines" is indeed a unicorn, and a fat, hairy one at that.  

        •  no conspiracy needed. (2+ / 0-)
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          Just a climate in which rules are eroded and opportunities to cheat exist.  

          Then, like ants following each others' scent to find the food, a statistically observable number of the GOP faithful will follow the trail and bring home little tiny particles of the food.  With enough ants, an animal carcass in the woods can be stripped clean to the bones pretty damn quickly.  

          Nature builds with few and simple rules.

          "Minus two votes for the Republican" equals "plus one vote for the Democrat." Arithmetic doesn't care about their feelings either!

          by G2geek on Wed Oct 24, 2012 at 10:22:58 PM PDT

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      •  so if unicorns don't exist, why are you spending.. (2+ / 0-)
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        ... so much time and effort trying to prove they don't exist?

        "Minus two votes for the Republican" equals "plus one vote for the Democrat." Arithmetic doesn't care about their feelings either!

        by G2geek on Wed Oct 24, 2012 at 10:19:45 PM PDT

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    •  I don't think Troubadour knows enough (5+ / 0-)

      to teach many people here much of anything about how to be smart-wary about election fraud.

      I think that is probably what he intends. And it seems to entail lots of imaginative leaps, starting with the title of the diary. How has he determined that "Daily Kos is in denial"?

      Election protection: there's an app for that! -- and a toll-free hotline: 866-OUR-VOTE
      Better Know Your Voting System with the Verifier!

      by HudsonValleyMark on Wed Oct 24, 2012 at 07:39:32 PM PDT

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      •  thanks for your concerrrn. i see you've... (2+ / 0-)
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        ... spent quite a bit of time gnawing on your pencil over this.

        "Minus two votes for the Republican" equals "plus one vote for the Democrat." Arithmetic doesn't care about their feelings either!

        by G2geek on Wed Oct 24, 2012 at 10:24:11 PM PDT

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        •  heh (1+ / 0-)
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          It doesn't exactly concern me that he doesn't know enough to have a constructive agenda. But it does trouble me that a lot of people don't seem to notice -- and don't seem to notice that he is asserting as fact that Walker rigged the recall election, and that anyone who disagrees is in "denial" or worse. Was that established as objective fact somewhere, and I missed it?

          Election protection: there's an app for that! -- and a toll-free hotline: 866-OUR-VOTE
          Better Know Your Voting System with the Verifier!

          by HudsonValleyMark on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 04:00:23 AM PDT

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    •  That's actually a perfect example (0+ / 0-)

      Because most women don't get raped while they're walking in dark areas alone without mace.

      They get raped by someone they know, or in a situation that is not at all like a dark alley.

      In other words, those handy dandy tips are really fucking helpful to about, oh, no one.

      P.S. I am not a crackpot.

      by BoiseBlue on Wed Oct 24, 2012 at 07:50:43 PM PDT

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