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  •  oh that's interesting, thank you (5+ / 0-)

    I'd be disappointed if Voltaire was less than viciously sarcastic toward anything, but I'll stick with my read on it.  Its not like tending the garden fixed the world, but the encounter with the successful farmer and the way he could end the tale being kind to his characters, to me, gave it a sensible grace of its own (whatever the intent).  I do not own it in French, though I should -- now I am curious if -- even to my struggling ear -- it will seem different.  

    I have been reading french fairy tales, mostly for children, to improve my skills (and because I really really love fairy tales).  I will say a lot of them end rather darkly, and the very idea of a happy ending seems different, the sense of what endings are for (even compared to say, Calvino's Italian Folktales, with all the princesses with their hands chopped off).  

    ...j'ai découvert que tout le malheur des hommes vient d'une seule chose, qui est de ne savoir pas demeurer en repos dans une chambre.

    by jessical on Wed Oct 24, 2012 at 08:11:57 PM PDT

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    •  Having had a French mother, (5+ / 0-)

      I can say there is certainly a mismatch between French and US cultures.  It could just have been her, but lots of American culture just went over her head.  For example, she never understood comics (the ones in the newspapers).

      By the way, I have been told I was fluent in French until I was 3, when I refused to speak it anymore.  I took a few years in high school, and a year in college, but I have never been fluent as an adult.

      -5.13,-5.64; If you gave [Jerry Falwell] an enema, you could bury him in a matchbox. -- Christopher Hitchens

      by gizmo59 on Wed Oct 24, 2012 at 08:20:15 PM PDT

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      •  oh wow (4+ / 0-)

        I have a friend who spent her formative years in Greece, with a similar story.  I have often wondered what it must be like for her -- a whole world gone like that.  Like childhood glimpses of the fey (fairy stories lol)

        I'm a very good low level programmer, extremely literal minded, and as you've no doubt observed here over the years, sharply limited in important ways.  French is a real struggle, and always will be.  People with even modest competency will always find me kind of sad and wonder at my basic intelligence.  But learning it has been a great joy, and my reading skills outstrip my speaking and comprehension.

        Time to take my sleepy meds...after which discretion likely requires I retire :}

         

        ...j'ai découvert que tout le malheur des hommes vient d'une seule chose, qui est de ne savoir pas demeurer en repos dans une chambre.

        by jessical on Wed Oct 24, 2012 at 08:26:14 PM PDT

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      •  At the risk of sounding like a commercial (4+ / 0-)
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        if you are interested in getting it back, try Rosetta Stone. You might be amazed at how much you have buried just below the surface.

        •  Is that the voice of experience? (4+ / 0-)

          I didn't find RS that helpful, except as drill for comprehension.  It kept me too comfortable and unchallenged.  An actual teacher kept me miserable and learning :}  I keep thinking I should sign up with one of those web streaming agencies where a native speaker is paid a pittance to tutor me and correct my horrible mistakes, but fundage is low for a bit (and I'm a chickenshit sometimes).   But I didn't know the language, there was nothing to recover.  I ask as it would be very interesting if it worked that way.

          Oop, "chickenshit" in a sentence, the sleepy drugs are kicking in, time to go :)  Thanks for a well done TC!  It is a hella bunch of work.

          ...j'ai découvert que tout le malheur des hommes vient d'une seule chose, qui est de ne savoir pas demeurer en repos dans une chambre.

          by jessical on Wed Oct 24, 2012 at 08:50:25 PM PDT

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          •  Yes, in a round about way (3+ / 0-)
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            It's a long story, but about a decade ago I decided to learn Dutch. Well, enough Dutch not to seem like a total tourist after my 4th visit. I found it fascinating. One of the most important tools in my studies was Rosetta Stone. You have to be motivated to learn, but if you are and you follow their recommendations, you will learn. I supplemented with a lot of different ideas. Children's books, on-line Dutch television, etc. But yes, Rosetta Stone was key.

            •  But what I want to know is (2+ / 0-)
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              did the Iowa farm boy manage to seduce the Italian supermodel?  I've been waiting for the answer to that one for years.

              -5.13,-5.64; If you gave [Jerry Falwell] an enema, you could bury him in a matchbox. -- Christopher Hitchens

              by gizmo59 on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 04:31:45 AM PDT

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