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  •  Is he talking about the size (12+ / 0-)

    of the netroots and the extent to which it has been aligned with the establishment or is he talking about what the progressive blogosphere and the progressive movement have accomplished politically in the last ten years.

    If you look at the latter, this country is less progressive than it was even when Bush and Cheney were in office.   Yes, we helped people get elected. But did they take us seriously? How much influence did we have on them in the long run?  Not much.  Citizens United had a lot to do with that, but the refusal to hold the Democratic leadership accountable was a big part of it too.

    Most of the leading progressive voices have become an arm of the campaigns now.  The progressive blogosphere has been serving as an online opposition research outfit for the past ~ year.  

    How does that help us accomplish real change?

    "Justice is a commodity"

    by joanneleon on Wed Oct 24, 2012 at 02:51:45 PM PDT

    •  Let's face it, as long as deep pocket interests... (6+ / 0-)

      ... are allowed to fund campaigns, the dynamic you describe is unlikely to change. That's the sad state of affairs in this country. And elected members from both parties, right now, have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo.

      Most of the other stuff is niggling at the margins.

    •  What do you mean by (6+ / 0-)

      "this country is less progressive than it was even when Bush and Cheney were in office"? Do you mean Americans, in their ideological leanings? Do you mean in terms of laws enacted and/or repealed or overturned? Do you mean in terms of the progressive movement and its views, agenda and accomplishments? Do you mean in terms of the political process, electorally and legislatively?

      Because other than the last one, I think we're more progressive in all these other respects since Bush left office. Clearly not as much as we'd like and need. But I think that teabaggers aside, more Americans are more open to progressive ideas and policies now than was the case as recently as 5 years ago. E.g. raising taxes on the rich, cutting defense spending, spending on infrastructure, gay marriage.

      A bunch of laws have been passed since Bush left that are clearly progressive, even if many of them weren't progressive enough, e.g. Ledbetter, ACA, Dodd-Frank. DADT is gone, DOMA is in its death throes, "personhood" amendments are being shot down in the heart of the bible belt, etc.

      I don't see the ACLU, NOW, PP or other progressive groups backing down. If anything they're more determined than ever (in part, of course, because of Obama's undeniably conservative foreign and national security policies).

      The only other major way we're not more progressive now is, as I mentioned, in Obama's policies regarding drones, detention, wiretaps, going after war criminals, etc. And, I should add, in his banking policies, although with recent suits against banks that seems to have improved somewhat lately.

      Ok, he hasn't been that great on energy, the environment, global warming, high speed rail, etc. We can and should be doing better on all these fronts. But looking at the overall picture, I don't see how we're less progressive now than the Bush years. We haven't started any new wars or created unfunded mandates, have we?

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Wed Oct 24, 2012 at 03:48:06 PM PDT

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      •  I beg to disagree which we rarely do. (0+ / 0-)

        I think he has done a great deal in these areas.

        Ok, he hasn't been that great on energy, the environment, global warming, high speed rail, etc. We can and should be doing better on all these fronts.
        He has doubled the mandatory miles per gallon requirements for auto manufacturers. He has invested 10 times more in green energy than any President in history. Both of these actions have major impacts in terms of global warming. He has also tried to invest in high speed rail, but has run into resistance and procrastination from state governments - in their defense, the Bush recession made large scale public investment rather difficult.

        The Republicans sabotaged any efforts on cap and trade, and just about any other sensible policy to reduce global warming.

        Here's my take on it - the revolution will not be blogged, it has to be slogged. - Deoliver47

        by OIL GUY on Wed Oct 24, 2012 at 11:27:18 PM PDT

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    •  I would say "this country's government is less (2+ / 0-)
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      progressive than it was" because I believe that there are many progressives out there in the blogosphere. There are individuals working on health policy, on environmental protection, on biodiversity, on no-growth, on post-carbon. etc/

      ❧To thine ownself be true

      by Agathena on Wed Oct 24, 2012 at 06:13:42 PM PDT

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