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  •  You are quite wrong in regard to the Parchin (2+ / 0-)
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    facility.

    See ttp://www.iaea.org/Publications/Documents/Board/2012/gov2012-37.pdf

    The IAEA is quite concerned about what is going on at Parchin and the Iranians will not allow them to inspect it.

    This is from 2012, not 2007 like the comment from your link.

    You can't scare me, I'm sticking to the Union - Woody Guthrie

    by sewaneepat on Wed Oct 24, 2012 at 06:36:24 PM PDT

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    •  Parchin is not a nuclear facility (0+ / 0-)

      IAEA has no jurisdiction in Parchin because it is a military facility.

      Parchin is not a nuclear facility.  It is a military facility not safeguarded by the IAEA and therefore off-limits legally to its inspectors.  Iran voluntarily allowed two rounds of inspections of Parchin by IAEA personnel in 2005.  No traces of nuclear weapons work were found
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      •  so if I was Ahmadinejad, and I wanted to build... (0+ / 0-)

        ... nuclear bombs, where do you think I'd do it?

        Right: at a military facility and then deny IAEA inspectors access, under one excuse or another.  

        "Minus two votes for the Republican" equals "plus one vote for the Democrat." Arithmetic doesn't care about their feelings either!

        by G2geek on Wed Oct 24, 2012 at 08:02:34 PM PDT

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        •  We must then assume U.S. and Israeli intelligence (1+ / 0-)
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          are wrong, because they claim Iran is not developing nuclear weapons:

          United States intelligence community and its  allies have long assessed that Iran is not and never has been  in possession of nuclear weapons, is not building nuclear weapons, and its leadership has not made any decision to build nuclear weapons.  Iranian officials have  consistently maintained  they will never pursue such weapons on religious, strategic, political, moral and legal grounds.

          U.S. Defense Secretary  Leon Panetta , Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman Brigadier General  Martin Dempsey , Director of National Intelligence  James Clapper , Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency  Ronald Burgess , President  Barack Obama , his National Security Council , and Vice President  Joe Biden  have all agreed  Iran isn't actively building nuclear weapons .

          Israeli Defense Minister  Ehud Barak , IDF Chief of Staff  Benny Gantz, and Military Intelligence Director  Aviv Kochavi  have also said the  same thing .

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          •  none the less, Netanyahu howls about... (1+ / 0-)
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            ... the "need" to attack Iran "or else."    And there's a substantial risk the voters will send him back to office again.

            In situations where there is risk of spiraling positive feedback, it only takes one element in a network to provide negative feedback that prevents the spiraling positive feedback.  

            Thus even if Netanyahu gets re-elected, as long as we can keep Obama in office, there won't be a shooting war in Iran or an Iranian nuclear weapon.  

            OTOH if Romney gets in, then we have the spiraling positive feedback scenario with Romney and Netanyahu reinforcing each other until a war starts.  

            One more reason to GOTV as if our lives depend on it.

            "Minus two votes for the Republican" equals "plus one vote for the Democrat." Arithmetic doesn't care about their feelings either!

            by G2geek on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 12:02:33 AM PDT

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            •  Absolutely. (0+ / 0-)
              One more reason to GOTV as if our lives depend on it.
              See my post below with the link and where in the report to find the IAEA's assessment of Iran's "possible military dimensions" of their nuclear program.

              You can't scare me, I'm sticking to the Union - Woody Guthrie

              by sewaneepat on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 04:01:52 AM PDT

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          •  You are parsing words about being in possession of (0+ / 0-)

            nuclear weapons and developing the capabilities of building nuclear weapons. No one thinks Iran possesses nuclear weapons at this point, but there is quite good evidence that they are trying to do so. And they do not allow the IAEA to inspect those facilities at which they are doing so.

            You can't scare me, I'm sticking to the Union - Woody Guthrie

            by sewaneepat on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 03:58:18 AM PDT

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      •  Here is the link to the (0+ / 0-)

        August 2012 IAEA report on Iran

        Look on page 8, Section H Possible Military Dimensions. For some reason  I cannot copy from the report. The conclusion is:

        "The activities observed and Iran's letter of 29 August 2012 further strengthen the Agency's assessment that it is necessary to have access to the location at Parchin without further delay."
        They lay out the evidence quite well that they are very concerned about military uses of nuclear development including satellite images showing an explosive containment vessel and "run off" and other activity.

        So you are wrong, as I said before, about what the IAEA says about Parchin and possible military concerns.

        You can't scare me, I'm sticking to the Union - Woody Guthrie

        by sewaneepat on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 03:55:17 AM PDT

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