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  •  Machines that can be hacked (7+ / 0-)

    or "programmed" make me very uncomfortable.

    In Washington State, we have mail-in. It's a paper ballot, which is good, but there's still that interim period where it's "floating around" out of verifiable range.

    I think there is a way you can verify your vote online, but still. No matter what system is used, the voter is always going to have to put some degree of faith in a process that isn't 100% in his/her control.

    Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us.
    ~ Jerry Garcia

    by DeadHead on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 02:16:13 AM PDT

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    •  With electronic voting machines, (6+ / 0-)

      the programming belongs to a private corporation and is not accountable. Even technicians with the expertise are not allowed to verify the programming.

      A paper ballot, and the location of the ballots, are verifiable by local election officials. The need for many people to be accountable for the security is very important.

      This better be good. Because it is not going away.

      by DerAmi on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 02:23:48 AM PDT

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    •  any vote that can be "verified" is not a private (3+ / 0-)
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          But if you fill it in by hand and I unfold it and put it in my pile and count it, you can count on us, the citizen-vote-counters to record everything fair and square. We cross reference the columns with the number of actual ballots, accounting for every single over-vote, under-vote, silly write-in, serious write-in, and any other anomaly that could occur- not stopping until there are simply no more questions because ALL the numbers add up.* THEN- if for some reason a recount was ever necessary, the actual ballots are stacked up with the actual papers we used to count on (signed under oath by us at the time) and the total pages are signed off on by the town clerk, et al.
            Then the numbers are passed up the chain and enter the polluted computer stream, but at least here in my home I know what is real.

      *have you ever been able to see for sure what that looks like from a machine? Or do they just tell ya who won...

      •  When voting absentee as I did, and (3+ / 0-)

        submitting by email or fax, a waiver is required for privacy.

        However, I could have sent it by mail.

        But the ballot count also matches in number to the recorded names of people who showed up to vote. So there are other safeguards.

        In fact, these risks to make a fair democracy have been around for a long time and we have done a great job dealing with that. Now we have new risks from technology. Risks that cannot be monitored by anyone in the local community.

        This better be good. Because it is not going away.

        by DerAmi on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 08:41:09 AM PDT

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