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    •  Direct Recording Electronic voting systems (0+ / 0-)

      Current-generation DREs usually are touchscreens, although Hart systems use a dial. Older DREs (still in use) have push buttons.

      My point is that it's pretty much site consensus -- if not policy -- that "there are real problems with voting machines." And, in generally, not much happens to people who "strongly suspect" that the 2004 election was stolen. Not much even happens to the vast majority of people who state it outright. (I recently encountered a TU who basically thought that everyone here agreed with that.)

      However, I am given to understand that some people who made a habit of stating it as fact without supporting it -- often in a "wake up, sheeple!" tone -- eventually got banned. Maybe TruthIsAll was in that category, for instance, or maybe he was just such an a-hole that he was banned on that basis. Dunno. I really have no idea who was banned for election fraud CT. Do you have people in mind whom you think got a raw deal?

      Election protection: there's an app for that! -- and a toll-free hotline: 866-OUR-VOTE
      Better Know Your Voting System with the Verifier!

      by HudsonValleyMark on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 04:11:18 PM PDT

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      •  Naw, don't even remember (0+ / 0-)

        their pseuds. Just saw a lot of it. Had comments about my experiences gang-HR'd, justified by the purported ban (because who would HR a story about a mother who had been President of the League of Women Voters for years, then got her last vote in this world taken away because she was in a wheel chair with an oxygen tank and some Republi-Jerk decided to challenge her not having current picture ID (which wasn't even required)? Or a daughter who'd voted in every election since 1992 get mysteriously 'lost' from the rolls in between the primary and the general, but who demanded to be allowed to vote anyway - using an 18th century law that was then turned into same-day registration across the state. These are just anecdotes, not (one would think) subject to HR.

        Or stories with sourced links about how state races got thrown into months-long turmoil due to Diebold vote-flipping in 2004, in a state with voters who routinely split their ticket because we LIKE Democratic state government even while going Republican in the federal races (leftover Jesse Helms machinery, I think we finally cured that once we got rid of Diebold). First state to show Diebold the border and tell them never to return. But that wasn't allowed either, as if NC's awful experience with them wasn't "extraordinary" evidence enough.

        Since I don't see the cleats gang here now, perhaps we can hope they've all been banned for crossing the line too many times, pissing Markos off, or simply wandered on in their travels.

        Oh, just so you know, after getting rid of Diebold and instituting early voting plus same-day registration so MORE No'Cackalackians could vote instead of fewer, we have paper ballots. Not just better than the glorified etch-a-sketches, also much better than those damned punch-cards.

        •  there's a "spitting on returning vets" flavor (0+ / 0-)

          to a lot of these reminiscences about how bad things used to be. Unfortunately, while I can find an intact version of at least one string of anecdotes under your previous user name, I can't read the disappeared version(s), so I have no way of judging why people might have construed them as CT.

          It's true that some people on both (or several) sides seemed to think of themselves as posses tasked with HRing and/or cursing their opponents out of existence.

          Now, there's this:

          1. The Dem establishment got together with the 'Pug establishment to divvy up some seats, so it would look like Dems came really close to taking the House, but not quite. The Senate was never on the table....

          4. Electronic voting machines were programmed to shift somewhere around 1% of the votes (or not count them) for Dems. More than that ~2% wiggle room would be way too obvious, but in actually 50-50 districts/states that would be enough. This has been part of the programming from the beginning. What happened is that voters so overwhelmingly voted Dem that it beat the machines at their own game - our margins were actually 1-2% higher than tallies showed.

          Pretty wild claims to make without an iota of evidence. Yet, nobody HRed that diary. So, you can't say all the times were bad.

          Incidentally, I've seen lots of diaries with "sourced links" that actually came nowhere near supporting their claims. Too many sources just aren't reliable -- and some people who cite sources don't think very hard about what the sources do and don't support. That isn't to say that anything that got HRed must have deserved it; things don't work that way.

          Election protection: there's an app for that! -- and a toll-free hotline: 866-OUR-VOTE
          Better Know Your Voting System with the Verifier!

          by HudsonValleyMark on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 04:01:47 AM PDT

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