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  •  LOTR stimulates positive feelings of friendship, (14+ / 0-)

    self-sacrifice, honor, desire to contribute, working over years--sometimes with little hope--for long term goals, importance of knowing history, the value of preparedness, understanding that the smallest/poorest/least of people can have critical expertise and make great contributions, etc. etc. etc.

    MUCH better for a young person's development than Ayn Rand's all about me me mine me me me mine me mine

    Okay, the Government says you MUST abort your child. NOW do you get it?

    by Catskill Julie on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 05:19:15 PM PDT

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    •  Self-sacrifice (10+ / 0-)

      For Rand, self-sacrifice is the ultimate vice. When Atlas Shrugged came out on DVD, the blurb on the box called it a "tale of self-sacrifice." The Rand people weren't happy, and they had to remake the box.

      But sacrifice is one thing Americans have always respected highly. The highest military award America gives is for going "above and beyond the call of duty." We don't give out self-interest medals.

      I was at a small town parade this summer, and volunteer firefighters from towns all over were part of the parade. If we thought like Ayn Rand, volunteer firefighters wouldn't exist.

      The Red River, which makes up the border between North Dakota and Minnesota has flooded quite often, and when it does, people come from all over to help. It isn't selfishness that gets them out there, many of these people live in areas with no danger of flood.

      The wolfpack eats venison. The lone wolf eats mice.

      by A Citizen on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 06:14:16 PM PDT

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      •  You're so right (2+ / 0-)
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        We don't give out self-interest medals.
        Very apt. Should be on the wall in grade schools.

        Our little Catskill Park Mt community, and our own home, was hammered by hurricane Irene last August. We couldn't get out for a week due to road wash outs and had no power for 5 days. That was August. Now it's late October and we're all very worried about the possiblity of another hit from Sandy, or even a perfect storm. If it freezes . . .

        What I do know is that, if we're hit again, all my neighbors will pull together, pool their resources and help each other. The volunteer firefighters will be the first to come in from outside, bringing ice, water, and checking to see who needs help.

        Values like friendship, desire to contribute, preparedness, and understanding that the smallest/poorest/least of people can contribute all on display. And no one looking for any reward except the opportunity to help another human being.

        Okay, the Government says you MUST abort your child. NOW do you get it?

        by Catskill Julie on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 07:35:10 PM PDT

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      •  Indeed (4+ / 0-)

        A whole lot of the Congressional Medal of Honor winners did not, in fact, live to get their medal. It was precisely their supreme sacrifice that earned them the honor.

        Odd that a party that fetishizes the military does not give a whit about sacrifice. Some many moons ago I taught at a college near a big military base. Many military wives in my classes (and one husband!), a few actives, and various retired. I caught just a glimpse of how much they sacrificed, even in peacetime -- what a struggle it was to raise a family on enlisted pay. These are working class heroes. Which is precisely why the Republican blather about "the troops" doesn't amount to hill of beans, because they can't be bothered with the actual lives of actual humans in uniform - they just want the pomp and the glory, but not the reality.

        Conservatives believe evil comes from violating rules. Liberals believe evil comes from violating each other.

        by tcorse on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 09:21:39 PM PDT

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