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  •  Aaaaah (3+ / 0-)
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    Supavash, Vatexia, Zack from the SFV

    Rasmussen. I missed that.

    •  The (R) polls are deceptive in VA (18+ / 0-)

      If (R) and the bulk of robopolls and partisan polls are not allowed to mess up the data average, Kaine appears to be ahead in VA by at least 3%, and is running a bit stronger than President Obama there.

      It might even be possible that there could be a tiny Kaine coattails effect for the President.  VA is uniquely important, regardless, since VA itself puts us over 270, based on IA NV polls, and since we really need the VA Senate seat.

      BTW, it was stated on MSNBC tonight that the Dems only need 3 additional votes to be able to pass bills using the reconciliation process.  So we really do need to hold all the D seats, and to add IN, MA, ME; AZ and NV would add insurance in case we lose NE, ND, or MT.

      •  reconciliation (0+ / 0-)

        I think Chris Mathews said, or meant to say, that if Romney won and the Repubs netted 3 Senate seats (not gonna happen), they could use reconciliation because Ryan would be the 51st vote in the senate. I heard him, too, and wondered what he was talking about.

        •  Oh, so they would change the Senate rules (2+ / 0-)
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          so that they could use the reconciliation process to overcome any Dem filibuster?

          Why hasn't our team figured out (or been willing to) do that, or more importantly, will our team do it, please?

          •  Reconciliation (1+ / 0-)
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            solliges

            I think he was just spouting off - which he seems to be doing a little more these days. I love the guy, but sometimes he seems a little confused. I thought Reconciliation could only be used to 'reconcile' differences between house and senate bills that have been passed and only if such reconiliation has no fiscal impact. But, the determination of whether it can be used or not ultimately depends on who is deciding whether it has fiscal impact.

            As to filibusters, Reid says he''s gonna try to change the rules this next session. We'll see.

            If the Republicans get control of both houses the first thing they'll do is change the name of the institution to the Reichstag and then they'll change the filibuster rules.

          •  Corporations/wall st (1+ / 0-)
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            nycvisionary

            will not allow the dems to pass filibuster reform , because it would deminish their lobbying power , we all really need to be prepared to put pressure on our dem reps to get rid if the filabuster ,or we will be sitting around watching them do nothing the next 4 years , and we will not get squat passed for dem legislation

            •  one target for reform (0+ / 0-)

              the matter of cloture reform. Essentially they're able to deny UC for a ton of stuff because you can't run cloture on multiple items, IIRC.

              So just remove the limit on that. And let them vote on cloture motions for everything they wanna block. Part of the reason why they're successful is because they're allowed to be successful.

              The Republican Party isn't a party of small government, it's a party of a government for the few. @bhindepmo

              by RBH on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 10:28:17 PM PDT

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              •  you mean Reid could require cloture votes (0+ / 0-)

                for specific items, rather than allowing the Republican leader to request Unanimous Consent of the Senate on batches of items?

                If I understand this correctly, Reid could make it clear that Unanimous Consent requests have to be made one at a time, or that cloture vote requests have to be made one item at a time?

                I think that I understand this.  Make them vote on cloture motions for every single item they wish to block, and then overwhelm them with so many items that they couldn't possibly block them one by one?

                What I gather is that Reid & Dems have made things easy & convenient for the Republicans, when they didn't have to.  They could have used these parliamentary kinds of methods to slow them down and make it hard for them to get anywhere, but they haven't done so.

                So I don't completely follow what you said, but I have the general idea - Reid could be doing a lot more even now.

                I would ask why he hasn't, and isn't using all this power?

                I know that he and Dem leadership could have changed the rules, but haven't, and if they had made enough rule changes, they could have gotten a hell of a lot more accomplished then they did, esp in 2008-2010, and even with 59, rather than 60 Dem Senators.

                Would love to know more about this, and I would also love to know how to get this kind of thinking moving forward in the Democratic Caucus/Leadership.   We used to have some very savvy Dems in the Senate, George Mitchell days, and Watergate era days, even in the 1980s.

                •  I thought there was a gap of time (0+ / 0-)

                  between when cloture is filed for and when the vote is held. And they can only do it for one cloture vote at a time.

                  Secret Holds are another big problem.

                  The Republican Party isn't a party of small government, it's a party of a government for the few. @bhindepmo

                  by RBH on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 11:24:06 PM PDT

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            •  Reform can be just as simple as (2+ / 0-)
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              auapplemac, IreGyre

              making people actually stand there and debate the issue in order to prevent it from being voted on. Right now bills can be stopped with nary an effort. Make them work for their filibuster.  

              •  ok: the question is WHY DON'T THEY? (1+ / 0-)
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                Steve Magruder

                When the Repugs were in charge of the Senate, they were complete @$$h*les.  For years, they were complete jerks.

                Then, when the Dems are in charge, they let the Repugs have all the conveniences they want, allow them to slow down bills, put holds on candidates, whenever they want.

                WHY?

                I think I know the reason - Tom Daschle's still influencing the Senate, because he's still advising Obama.  In my view, Obama's admiration for Tom Daschle is the single worst mistake Obama ever made, and it is responsible for the disaster in 2010 elections.

                Daschle is the worst majority leader we have ever had, but his tactics continue.  For some reason, Obama took a liking to him or admired him - for some godforsaken reason.

                Daschle's influence on the Senate has to stop.  God what a mistake to let the Daschle method still go on.  It has taken the Dems 12 years to understand what a f*ckup Daschle was, despite the way he frittered away a Democratic majority in the 90's and then was unequivocally disgraced by losing his own Senate seat.  Most Americans were disgusted by Daschle's utter spinelessness and wanted him gone.

      •  The r polls are deceptive. (2+ / 0-)
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        Fury, CocoaLove

        Meant to (try to), demoralize the Democratic Voters. They figure it worked in 2010.

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        by rebel ga on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 08:43:27 PM PDT

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      •  Reconciliation is worthless with GOP House (0+ / 0-)
      •  We will lose NE, without doubt. (0+ / 0-)

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