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  •  There is no "central computer" for the nation. (7+ / 0-)

    Counts are done at the county level then reported upstream to the state. Changing them afterwards would result in obvious differences in the state tally and the original county tally.

    •  each state's computer, I meant (2+ / 0-)
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      Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? . . . and respect the dignity of every human being.

      by Wee Mama on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 09:31:25 AM PDT

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      •  OK, that's fair, but doesn't help the premise (5+ / 0-)

        (You're not accountable for the premise. I think it's great that you are trying to clarify the arguments.)

        It's true in principle that even if the counting machines worked correctly, state-level central tabulators could alter the totals. Many but not all states have canvassing provisions that should detect any such alteration. Maybe I can give Romney 300,000 votes on some computer; maybe I can even allocate those votes among 5,000 different precincts; but if it is possible to check the precinct counts as they were before they were centrally tabulated, I am not likely to get very far this way.

        On the other hand, if the counting machines were hacked, running test ballots wouldn't necessarily help. That's one reason why post-election audits are important. (I don't think the diary presents any evidence of such hacking.)

        Election protection: there's an app for that! -- and a toll-free hotline: 866-OUR-VOTE
        Better Know Your Voting System with the Verifier!

        by HudsonValleyMark on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 09:59:39 AM PDT

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        •  People don't seem to understand (3+ / 0-)
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          that a lot of checking and cross-checking is done by the counties, the parties, the media, independent groups and even universities. These people are alert to suspicious patterns. To claim that election results can be tampered with on a NATIONAL scale is an extraordinary claim requiring extraordinary proof.

          Contrary to popular belief, rigging an election with voting machines is a VERY non-trivial task.

          I really HATE having these arguments since I have worked very hard with a lot of people to make elections in my state accurate and transparent.

          •  it seems hard to say this clearly (1+ / 0-)
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            I'm often accused of assuming that nothing bad could ever happen. I don't assume that at all, and in fact, we've certainly seen bad things happen. The challenge is to think about specific attack and failure scenarios, and how to protect against them. That takes work. Calling us election fraud deniers and pasting a few links doesn't.

            Election protection: there's an app for that! -- and a toll-free hotline: 866-OUR-VOTE
            Better Know Your Voting System with the Verifier!

            by HudsonValleyMark on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 01:22:27 PM PDT

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          •  At turnout tracker training the staffer said that (1+ / 0-)
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            there will be hundreds of lawyers available in Iowa on election day for voting irregularities. She then turned tothe other staffer and exchanged a look and said it's kind of a joke that there are going to be more lawyers than problems. Iowa lawyers are eager to volunteer, and everyone is passionate about clean elections.



            Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? . . . and respect the dignity of every human being.

            by Wee Mama on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 03:16:00 PM PDT

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      •  In NC each county tallies it's own results (4+ / 0-)
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        and submits them to the state BoE. The BoE then tallies the counties and posts the results. The counties then verify the results submitted to the results posted. And deviation would be noticed. I fail to see how this can be pulled off.

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