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  •  2000 and 2004... just close enough to work (1+ / 0-)
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    but they know time and the demographics are against them... why else CU... and all the ALEC let legislation for suppression stuff ramping up after killing off ACORN ... and the push in 2010 to get control of max number of states in time for reapportionment?

     Because otherwise it would not be close enough to steal... and 2008 was just too much to overcome with the cumulative Bush years and the economy... If the crash had been delayed another year or so (probably their original hope) they might have had their "Maverick" reformer guy squeak in... war hero and all vs... Mrs. Bill (who could have foreseen Obama?)

    The truth is Nobody controls things completely or more than a little most of the time... but does not stop those who are used to having their way from trying to force things a bit. And previous successes embolden the crooked to try a bit more... but only as much as they think will work AND that they can get away with... And with the media tame or owned all the rest of their mostly legal  plans do have a plausible case for succeeding without having to go seriously fraudulent/criminal... but cheaters always hedge their bets... and if it includes the dirty, it will usually be just here or there and always deniable and make any accusers/whistle-blowers seem like crackpots... (or their plane crashes...).

    What would have been overstepping only becomes safe when a nation state is already too far down the Fascist path for any democratic fail-safes to catch more obvious election stealing and by then it is too late. We have a long way to go but why allow it to edge further in that direction? We are in the middle of an experiment to see if a kinder gentler unobtrusive 1984 is possible eventually... and fiddling the public's awareness, world view to allow or even cheer on anti democratic changes is part of that and that includes eroding oversight on elections and adding power over them by outsiders and insiders that bypass the protections and institutions involved up until now.

    Pogo & Murphy's Law, every time. Also "Trust but verify" - St. Ronnie (hah...)

    by IreGyre on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 07:26:04 AM PDT

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    •  The fact remains (5+ / 0-)

      that you have no hard evidence to back up your (understandable) fears.  No one does.  This diary doesn't, and the thousand diaries written about this subject before are similarly long on concern and short on details.  

    •  And please stop with the plane crash thing. (4+ / 0-)

      It's utterly ridiculous.  Icing the wings isn't the way to do it.  How many FAA inspectors (AND their bosses, AND the overseers, AND the people who were on site at the crash, AND the people who reviewed the case) did they have to buy off?  How many people at the airport saw the evildoers... what?  Hose down the plane in mid-winter?  Or did the ninjas kill them, too?  Not to mention the fact that trying to kill someone in a small plane crash is really stupid... a lot of crashes in small planes are fully survivable.  If you want to eliminate someone, fake a robbery and just shoot the guy.    

    •  Kerry WAS trailing in nat'l polls by ca. 2% (0+ / 0-)

      Just saying.  Maybe there was thievery in Ohio; and for sure black-box voting is wrong.  But the polls in '04 were entirely consistent with a Kerry loss, certainly nationally, and IIRC the Ohio polls were too.

      The biggest red flag in '04 was the exit polling diverging from the tabulated results.  That has never been explained satisfactorily.  But again, Bush was pretty consistently ahead in the polling before the election, so it's just weird.  "Just weird", of course, isn't the same as a conspiracy.

      We have already seen evidence of the GOP stealing votes in '00; we know what THAT looked like.  Will GOP find other ways if they can? Sure.  But that doesn't mean they already have, since the data just don't support it.  The teabaggers winning in '10 was very likely a simple matter of turnout, just like in '94.  The idea of fraud in '08, per this post, is laughable.  And I don't buy that there was systemic, cloak-and-dagger fraud in '04, for the simple reason that more than one guy would have come forward by now.

      "Happiness is the only good. The place to be happy is here. The time to be happy is now. The way to be happy is to make others so." - Robert Ingersoll

      by dackmont on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 01:49:11 PM PDT

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      •  P.S. - forgot Ken Blackwell's (0+ / 0-)

        nasty voting machine stunts and the like in Ohio '04.  That was unquestionably an e.g. of electoral fraud, and may well have flipped it from Kerry.  Not at all unimaginable Kerry could have won EV and lost PV with a 2% margin.

        "Happiness is the only good. The place to be happy is here. The time to be happy is now. The way to be happy is to make others so." - Robert Ingersoll

        by dackmont on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 02:55:24 PM PDT

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